Poll: DIGITAL ID - It's coming *** NO GENERAL POLITICS TALK - ONE AND ONLY WARNING ***

Are you for or against the new Digital ID

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arknor said:
you already need to show a passport/photo id or your digital visa to get a legitimate job.
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This isn't true.

While having a photo ID does make things easier to process, you can use other means to prove identity such as your birth certificate + a handful of other things, but you generally need 2-3 items and it can be a bit of a pain in the bum.

Most UK citizens of working age have a paper trail in the system which can be used as verification of identity to varying degrees. I've had to process job applications from people without driving licences of passports in the past, while having neither of the two is admittedly rare it's far from unheard of. There actually is a "Gov" photo ID you can apply for which I rarely see used but is a current option. A birth certificate + bank statement/energy bill etc showing proof of residence and a document showing your NI number is generally sufficient.

Regardless, I'm vehemently against this personally. I do not want more government oversight, and while I will not make this political I frankly don't trust any current or future parties to not make a mess of things or worse abuse them. I've never had much faith or trust in the whole "if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to worry about" arguments regarding government access to individuals and feel this leans into that area. If by some miracle a genuinely impartial third party did a mass auditing/investigation into the entirety of our gov/civil service/police/NHS etc I'd happily make the trade but that's never going to happen.
 
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Nabinium said:
The sheer backlash this is receiving from all sides. I can't see this going through.
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Good, people need to push back on willingness to give up our information.

We have national insurance numbers, birth certificates, driving licenses and passports. That's enough, they don't need to create anymore.

Using the excuse to stop illegal immigration is a right out lie. If that's the case then what's the point of having Border Control!?!?!!?
 
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malachi said:
Good, people need to push back on willingness to give up our information.

We have national insurance numbers, birth certificates, driving licenses and passports. That's enough, they don't need to create anymore.

Using the excuse to stop illegal immigration is a right out lie. If that's the case then what's the point of having Border Control!?!?!!?
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Same goes for checking into a hotel. In the developed world it's pretty much only USA and UK that does not require identification allowing tracking of movements.

Those two beacons of freedom of WW2 still stand today and long may it continue.
 
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malachi said:
Good, people need to push back on willingness to give up our information.

Using the excuse to stop illegal immigration is a right out lie. If that's the case then what's the point of having Border Control!?!?!!?
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Yep, it will do essentially nothing to impact illegal immigration (and let's just ignore the sharp uptick in 'boats' since brexit...).

On one side, directly spending the money on firmer border controls, or quicker proceesing of asylum, would have a far greater effect.

On the other side, it just seems absurdly 'state surveilance'

I have no issue with a 'National ID card' (as a majority of countries have already), but I don't like the idea of it being digital (whether that's requiring you to have an app for it, or simply a bar/QR code that ties into other systems).

If nothing else, then multiple governments have demonstrated that they're not able to deliver a working and secure IT system (i.e. Upload all your personal info, including biometrics: best case scenario - in house, more likely, outsourced to a US third party), which will inadvertently end up getting leaked, as we're already seeing with the OSA.
 
Random musing. What's the last big app that the UK govt introduced that stores loads of citizens data that's even slightly comparable to this proposed digital ID?

NHS app, over 34 million users (3/4 of all adults). I think it's been around for about 4 years. Loads of sensitive data. Hasn't been leaked, afaik.


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rp2000 said:
Random musing. What's the last big app that the UK govt introduced that stores loads of citizens data that's even slightly comparable to this proposed digital ID?

NHS app, over 34 million users (3/4 of all adults). I think it's been around for about 4 years. Loads of sensitive data. Hasn't been leaked, afaik.


rp2000
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On the flip side been quite a few leaks including MOD systems and several smaller breaches of the NHS, and while not government loads of intrusions like into Jaguar, etc. so it is a pretty valid concern if a lot depends on one central system like this.
 
rp2000 said:
Random musing. What's the last big app that the UK govt introduced that stores loads of citizens data that's even slightly comparable to this proposed digital ID?

NHS app, over 34 million users (3/4 of all adults). I think it's been around for about 4 years. Loads of sensitive data. Hasn't been leaked, afaik.


rp2000
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Not gonna dismiss that, it's probably the best example where it's been a decent implementation (and I use it myself), but it's not madatory (as with passport/driving license... although those are 'mandatory' if you want to drive or travel abroad... don't have an issue with that and won't argue it).
The last, closest, thing I could point to would be the 'covid passport'/'track and trace' (as the idea was that you wouldn't be able to interact with the public world otherwise), which cost billions (or close to) and was never fully implemented and basically binned off. (which, again, wasn't madatory, but there was an expectation that it would be required to even enter a shop at one point)
That, and, the fact that they lost/leaked records of people who had collaberated with us in Afganistan - That's not a small **** up, that's people who are likely to be killed or massively persecuted because someone couldn't manage that data. (as one example)
If I go further than that, it's probably better placed in SC
 
Rroff said:
On the flip side been quite a few leaks including MOD systems and several smaller breaches of the NHS, and while not government loads of intrusions like into Jaguar, etc. so it is a pretty valid concern if a lot depends on one central system like this.
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It's honestly my "draw the line" point, I refuse to participate in it. I never thought I would get to that point but here we are, I will never ever agree or partake in the suggested system.

I'm fortunately in a position to actually leave the country and plan on doing so thanks to this.
 
rp2000 said:
Random musing. What's the last big app that the UK govt introduced that stores loads of citizens data that's even slightly comparable to this proposed digital ID?

NHS app, over 34 million users (3/4 of all adults). I think it's been around for about 4 years. Loads of sensitive data. Hasn't been leaked, afaik.


rp2000
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Do you mean the NHS data that US Pharmaceutical companies have expressed a desire to include in trade talks?
 
Gray2233 said:
It's honestly my "draw the line" point, I refuse to participate in it. I never thought I would get to that point but here we are, I will never ever agree or partake in the suggested system.

I'm fortunately in a position to actually leave the country and plan on doing so thanks to this.
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"Draw the line... Bwah bwa bwah bwa.. love isn't alway on time"... Sorry :D
And yeah, I'm considering my options at this point!
 
TrojanWhore said:
"Draw the line... Bwah bwa bwah bwa.. love isn't alway on time"... Sorry :D
And yeah, I'm considering my options at this point!
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Look, I know it's a thing many do or scream about but I'm legitimately done.

I've career options in east-asia and could easily relocate (SK particularly). I just never really wanted to, but I'm tired of the UK mate, living here is starting to feel like a job in of itself.
 
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VincentHanna said:
And where in this video does Tony Blair say "we can take money from people's accounts" as you claimed?
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Did you watch the video? or are you just trying to be a contrarian?

You have a direct quote and are still rejecting it. "By better linking taxpayer data, a digital-ID ecosystem could help close the UK’s tax gap by pre-populating tax returns. This would save citizens time while also helping to avoid the tax-filing errors that cost the Exchequer several billion every year. In addition, by making it easier to link complex datasets, a digital ID could enable HMRC to better target tax-compliance activity, helping to crack down on under-taxed offshore income, for example." what you are questioning is mentioned both in a direct video from the institute and a blog post with an additional video of a barrister breaking down why this is a bad idea.

How can you be so obtuse?
 
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Gray2233 said:
It's honestly my "draw the line" point, I refuse to participate in it. I never thought I would get to that point but here we are, I will never ever agree or partake in the suggested system.

I'm fortunately in a position to actually leave the country and plan on doing so thanks to this.
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I'm close to that point too. I still need to work for another few years and don't have many options now to move abroad. But I'm now old enough to start drawing my private pensions. I can't afford to do so yet, because I'm still supporting children in university. But when they finish I could just about survive on those pensions. I'm certainly considering whether I should just refuse to accept anymore taxation, digital ID, etc, and simply check out of being productive in society anymore. I'm pretty much done with contributing now.
 
Hades said:
I'm close to that point too. I still need to work for another few years and don't have many options now to move abroad. But I'm now old enough to start drawing my private pensions. I can't afford to do so yet, because I'm still supporting children in university. But when they finish I could just about survive on those pensions. I'm certainly considering whether I should just refuse to accept anymore taxation, digital ID, etc, and simply check out of being productive in society anymore. I'm pretty much done with contributing now.
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The moment you're capable just bail, you're not paying tax into the future anymore. Leave, if you've a good background east-asia is your best bet. I'm looking at SK currently as what I would like to call a positive immigrant.

Don't look at going to NA as it's more of the same.
 
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malachi said:
Good, people need to push back on willingness to give up our information.

We have national insurance numbers, birth certificates, driving licenses and passports. That's enough, they don't need to create anymore.

Using the excuse to stop illegal immigration is a right out lie. If that's the case then what's the point of having Border Control!?!?!!?
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Can you imagine those on the little boats thinking "They have digital ID's there....we better not go."

Yeah, that's the reason they don't want to come, because they won't get a digital ID.....that's the same level as if you replace it the word Digital ID with a Passport, which are both true!

The immigration thing is a complete lie.
 
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Raymond Lin said:
Can you imagine those on the little boats thinking "They have digital ID's there....we better not go."

Yeah, that's the reason they don't want to come, because they won't get a digital ID.....that's the same level as if you replace it the word Digital ID with a Passport, which are both true!

The immigration thing is a complete lie.
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The illegals don't have ID's to start with, and the police/gov have a history of ignoring illegals. Digital ID wont make a difference, it has nothing to do with reality.
 
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