Poll: AmorIn or AmorOut?

[Calpol]

It looks more cohesive and more urgent this season but without much real quality in the final third. We have to hope that Cunha, Mbeumo and possibly Sesko are too good to misfire for a whole season. In fairness he hasn't been able to play all three of them together for a half or full game yet.

I'm hoping he can find a more settled starting 11 to really make those connections. The team is constantly changing and I still don't think he knows his best 11.
I suspect its.

Lammens
Martinez - De Ligt - Yoro
Dorgu - Fernandes - Ugarte - Amad
Cunha - Sesko - Mbuemo

Mazraoui is a very good footballer but he's much better at LCB. He loves Dalot and Mount and I get why but they aren't really a good fit for this formation imo.

7 points from 15 is par performance given the fixtures but he has to coach 3/4 wins in a row to build confidence in the players and the fans.

Interesting to look back at how a post from a week ago ages in the Amorim world.
TLDR: not very well

I think we have reached a point we are all too familiar with. The point where the coach is living more in hope than expectation. The hope that things will magically click, like maybe he sees in training and all goes well.
We didn't quite see the 11 I suggested above but enough of it to understand that it didn't work at all and most fans will see that asking Bruno Fernandes to anchor a midfield with Ugarte is pure folly and it is affecting the game of who has been our best player. Of course Mainoo comes on and causes the third goal which possibly confirms Amorims opinion that " he ain't all that".

After this many games, free weeks of training I don't think it's unreasonable to expect better. What we are getting is less consistent that any previous manager and is extinguishing hope of a turnaround. I sense he has lost the fan base and there is no way back from that point. When ten Hag identified Maguire as surplus he wasn't wrong, when Mourinho identified Shaw as low IQ, he wasn't wrong. Yet Ruben has opted to continue with these players and in a less forgiving system.
I'm afraid it's on his head.

 

[sigma]

Interesting to look back at how a post from a week ago ages in the Amorim world.
TLDR: not very well

I think we have reached a point we are all too familiar with. The point where the coach is living more in hope than expectation. The hope that things will magically click, like maybe he sees in training and all goes well.
We didn't quite see the 11 I suggested above but enough of it to understand that it didn't work at all and most fans will see that asking Bruno Fernandes to anchor a midfield with Ugarte is pure folly and it is affecting the game of who has been our best player. Of course Mainoo comes on and causes the third goal which possibly confirms Amorims opinion that " he ain't all that".

After this many games, free weeks of training I don't think it's unreasonable to expect better. What we are getting is less consistent that any previous manager and is extinguishing hope of a turnaround. I sense he has lost the fan base and there is no way back from that point. When ten Hag identified Maguire as surplus he wasn't wrong, when Mourinho identified Shaw as low IQ, he wasn't wrong. Yet Ruben has opted to continue with these players and in a less forgiving system.
I'm afraid it's on his head.

I think he'll stay until the Nov £12m cut off.

The problem then becomes, who comes in next? The comedy continues.

The season is written off already, but then after 15th last season, bar the crazy people who had expected top 4, it was always going to be a poor season anyway. Let's just avoid relegation and rebuild again.

I bet Ashworth is a very happy chappy!

Is the club unfixable? Too many egos spoil the broth.

 

[spudbynight]

I think he'll stay until the Nov £12m cut off.

The problem then becomes, who comes in next? The comedy continues.

The season is written off already, but then after 15th last season, bar the crazy people who had expected top 4, it was always going to be a poor season anyway. Let's just avoid relegation and rebuild again.

I bet Ashworth is a very happy chappy!

Is the club unfixable? Too many egos spoil the broth.

The club isn't unfixable. It is unfixable quickly.

Unfortunately there still isn't an acceptance of how bad things are and what needs to be done to fix it.

 

[sigma]

The club isn't unfixable. It is unfixable quickly.

Unfortunately there still isn't an acceptance of how bad things are and what needs to be done to fix it.

I'm unsure it is with Glazers at the helm. The club has gone downhill since INEOS came on board so surely they need to start taking some flack too.

They got rid of the two people who told them what was wrong (Ash and LvG)

 

[spudbynight]

Blaming the Glazers is part of the problem.

 

[nft_99]

I think he will stay past the Nov payout stage and on to the next.
Sir Gareth is getting the waistcoat ready.

 

[Mint8]

Blaming the Glazers is part of the problem.

It seems a kneejerk typical fan reaction to blame "the owners" when consistently the one thing the owners havent done is skimp on funds available for players.

There clearly is something basicaly wrong at Utd but think its not necessarily with teh "owners".

Sacking the tea lady does not make the team play worse...or at least it shouldnt.

 

[Martini1991]

If I was the person who decided Amorins fate, I'd think there's 2 months till January transfer window.

Amorin isn't getting a tune out of the players
Get a new manager in, hope for some form till January and then hopefully support that manager if they're looking like they can get back into a European competition

 

[sigma]

Blaming the Glazers is part of the problem.

It's their club, they own it, they're responsible for the management team. They focused on the finances rather than the football, they didn't prep for SAF leaving. They had no footballing structure, they sold to INEOS.

Are you saying they're not responsible for any of this?

They allowed the club to spend waste money, who cares if they spent £1bn if it was spent poorly?

 

[sigma]

If I was the person who decided Amorins fate, I'd think there's 2 months till January transfer window.

Amorin isn't getting a tune out of the players
Get a new manager in, hope for some form till January and then hopefully support that manager if they're looking like they can get back into a European competition

No, the players are crap. Don't put the pressure of Europe on them (they've shown time and time again that they can't handle pressure, especially the keepers). If they perform a miracle and get it then great, they need to avoid relegation first.

 

[bingham67]

Ruben Amorim: Man Utd boss still has support and 'not concerned' about future

Manchester United head coach Ruben Amorim sees a step forward followed by another one back with defeat at Brentford.

www.bbc.co.uk

Seems he been given the backing at least for now.

As reported though after 11th November only have to pay him £4 mill to get rid so things could change.

 

[Lopéz]

I'm unsure it is with Glazers at the helm. The club has gone downhill since INEOS came on board so surely they need to start taking some flack too.

They got rid of the two people who told them what was wrong (Ash and LvG)

Didn't Ragnick also point out a number of big issues and was also got rid of?

Since Alex Ferguson Man United have had 7 managers and over 70 players.

None of them has achieved much at all in terms of results.

Amorim will be fired, a new manager will take over, get poor results, and be fired. It's like the whole organisation is just doomed to fail indefinitely. Mind you Liverpool when what, 30 odd years without winning the league having been previously very successful so I suppose it can happen anywhere. Just all seems a bit mad.

 

[Reuben klang]

It seems a kneejerk typical fan reaction to blame "the owners" when consistently the one thing the owners havent done is skimp on funds available for players.

There clearly is something basicaly wrong at Utd but think its not necessarily with teh "owners".

Sacking the tea lady does not make the team play worse...or at least it shouldnt.

They’ve loaded the club with >1bn of debt. They’ve let the stadium and training ground rot.

United shouldn’t be hamstrung by PSR but they are due to the whole lets spend on the credit card and take dividends etc

They spent £30m on advice on how to sell a portion of the club, which was then paid for by the club and loaded onto the debt.

Then Monaco Jim was saying ‘oh we’ve got to pay for all these players still who are rubbish’ ‘we need to sack more people so the place is a cesspool‘

 

[sigma]

Didn't Ragnick also point out a number of big issues and was also got rid of?

Since Alex Ferguson Man United have had 7 managers and over 70 players.

None of them has achieved much at all in terms of results.

Amorim will be fired, a new manager will take over, get poor results, and be fired. It's like the whole organisation is just doomed to fail indefinitely. Mind you Liverpool when what, 30 odd years without winning the league having been previously very successful so I suppose it can happen anywhere. Just all seems a bit mad.

Ah yeah I meant Ragnick

 

[mid_gen]

I'm firmly in the AmorOUT camp now. No progress, and pig-headedness to not even try and alter the setup of the team to win games. Idealogy over results, get in the bin.

Maybe Villa will ditch Emery and we can nab him. Just give us a manager that knows how to set up a team to win Premier League games, before we have another season sat bobbing along just above the relegation fodder.

 

[Mekrel]

Didn't Ragnick also point out a number of big issues and was also got rid of?

Since Alex Ferguson Man United have had 7 managers and over 70 players.

None of them has achieved much at all in terms of results.

Amorim will be fired, a new manager will take over, get poor results, and be fired. It's like the whole organisation is just doomed to fail indefinitely. Mind you Liverpool when what, 30 odd years without winning the league having been previously very successful so I suppose it can happen anywhere. Just all seems a bit mad.

You make valid points but what I would say, based on the successful teams in recent times, is you need both the structure and the right personnel in that structure to be successful.

I'm not sure we've ever had that. Any manager under the Woodward era was hamstrung by an inability to sign the right players, at the right time. Think of the the Herrera debacle...

I think City are a good example of what I'm saying, for the money, they had limited success in terms of titles until Pep came in - especially in the Champions League.

 

[Robbo]

He is gone, it's just a matter of when.

When a manager reaches this point, limping from game to game, crisis to crisis - it simply isn't sustainable.

He has failed miserably. His steadfast refusal to even tweak his 'system' is bizarre. No other manager works like this. If we could see he was trying to fix things I'd have more sympathy, but he arrogantly thinks he knows better than everyone else in football. His job is to set the team up to win, and he doesn't seem interested in that, just trying to instil some fanciful system that has shown no sign of working. Look at what Glasner has done with Crystal Palace using a similar system - Amorim wouldn't last 5 minutes there.

The players are not up to scratch, but there is no shortage of ability there. Put the players in their natural positions and drill the basics into them - then the ability of our attackers will win a decent amount of games.

Ultimately the managerial appointments haven't worked out, but I don't believe it's quite as complicated as some people think. I can almost guarantee the players will have lost faith in him, they are clearly confused by his instructions and getting battered by almost every team we face (even Grimsby) and he just sits on the bench staring at the floor. It's quite pathetic.

I am worried now that Ratcliffe is being fooled by his supposed charisma and this is going to drag on far longer than it needs to.

As Gary Neville said a few weeks ago, Manchester United can't be 14th/15th come October.... they just can't. That's on Wednesday. We're 14th now and may be 15th by the end of today.

Find someone better.

 

[Reuben klang]

As Gary Neville said a few weeks ago, Manchester United can't be 14th/15th come October.... they just can't. That's on Wednesday. We're 14th now and may be 15th by the end of today.

Why though? What is it with this we have a right to be at the top? Like where does this mentality come from that they should be up there?

Is it just down to how much money has been spent? Is it because the club was elite 15 years ago? The wages is probably the only factor as they’ve got one of the biggest wages bills in the league but that’s massively down to paying huge amounts to players who quite frankly don’t deserve it i.e sancho

 

[Robbo]

Why though? What is it with this we have a right to be at the top? Like where does this mentality come from that they should be up there?

Is it just down to how much money has been spent? Is it because the club was elite 15 years ago? The wages is probably the only factor as they’ve got one of the biggest wages bills in the league but that’s massively down to paying huge amounts to players who quite frankly don’t deserve it i.e sancho

We have no right to be anywhere, but it's my view a good manager would have this squad comfortably top half. As it stands we'll be closer to relegation.

Amorim has been given almost an entire season to coach these players and work them out, then he got a full pre-season, and they brought in a decent attack for him. Things are not getting better.

Expectation of an upward trajectory is what every club wants, it's not an arrogance thing.

 

[Psycho Ned]

They've got 1 game before the next International break, Sunderland at home normal circumstances you'd say get 3 points from that or he won't be back after it but if the reduced payoff after November is true then maybe you do just let it play out till then as that's another international break......

If results don't improve though will the fans realistically let things just meander on till then?