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5800x bottleneck for 5070 ti

Samhfx

Samhfx

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I'm unsure what to do, I recently purchased a 5070 ti and replaced my 3070 fe ready for Battlefield 6 release. However, playing the games I have installed now has showed me how rough this CPU is. I was told 5800X3D allows me to stay on AM4 but I can't find it to buy anywhere, I can't afford AM5 mobo upgrade. Is there anything I can do with my current 5800x to reduce bottleneck and make games more smooth? I removed all background processes, I enabled PBO in BIOS. I should have put more thought into buying a new GPU, I completely forgot about a CPU bottleneck. I was playing Battlefield V this week and my GPU reaches 40% usage and my CPU reaches 75-90% usage and I get fps drops from my 157 fps cap to around 110 and it's horrible.

I'm hoping DLSS in Battlefield 6 makes it somewhat playable at a competitive level. I have a 2560x1440 165hz gsync monitor.
 
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There are a good few comparison videos on the three processors. I believe the 5700X3D is within 5-10% of the 5800X3D.
Of course, It all depends on the game too.

 
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It will also matter what resolution you are playing at, if you are playing at 1080p then there will be a bigger difference between the cpu and gpu usage than playing at 1440p or 4k.

But yes, the 5700x3d should be better than your 5800x for sure
 
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Samhfx said:
I'm hoping DLSS in Battlefield 6 makes it somewhat playable at a competitive level. I have a 2560x1440 165hz gsync monitor.
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Samhfx said:
will the 5700X3D perform better than what I have? Is it even worth it.
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Competitive gaming is always a niche use case and it is going to be expensive to maintain high framerate consistency in the latest AAA games. Normally, someone with your kind of PC would just be looking for decent playability, but for you, the CPU is going to be more important.

As for BF6 specifically, I don't know, unfortunately the only performance reviews I've seen were for the GPU.
 
Tetras said:
Competitive gaming is always a niche use case and it is going to be expensive to maintain high framerate consistency in the latest AAA games. Normally, someone with your kind of PC would just be looking for decent playability, but for you, the CPU is going to be more important.

As for BF6 specifically, I don't know, unfortunately the only performance reviews I've seen were for the GPU.
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Yeah it sucks, I wasn't aware of bottlenecks I had a smooth system with the 5800x and 3070 for over 4 years. After doing research I think you want the GPU to be the bottleneck and not CPU, now I understand why.
 
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It will also matter what resolution you are playing at, if you are playing at 1080p then there will be a bigger difference between the cpu and gpu usage than playing at 1440p or 4k.

But yes, the 5700x3d should be better than your 5800x for sure
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2560x1440 165hz gsync
 
Samhfx said:
After doing research I think you want the GPU to be the bottleneck and not CPU, now I understand why.
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It is complicated :D

The main problem with the CPU being the bottleneck is that you can't do anything about it, because lower settings primarily help the graphics card.

For a competitive gamer, they still want a great graphics card to raise the top-end and average framerates, but the CPU is more important than normal, just because the CPU contributes a lot to the minimums and lows and once the GPU bottlenecks, it also uplifts the top-end.

Running a low-end CPU with a high-end graphics card is fine for say... 4K single player gaming, but for a competitive multiplayer gamer, it'll be way too choppy and they'll find that unacceptable.
 
Tetras said:
It is complicated :D

The main problem with the CPU being the bottleneck is that you can't do anything about it, because lower settings primarily help the graphics card.

For a competitive gamer, they still want a great graphics card to raise the top-end and average framerates, but the CPU is more important than normal, just because the CPU contributes a lot to the minimums and lows and once the GPU bottlenecks, it also uplifts the top-end.

Running a low-end CPU with a high-end graphics card is fine for say... 4K single player gaming, but for a competitive multiplayer gamer, it'll be way too choppy and they'll find that unacceptable.
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Well hopefully I win the lottery this week so I can upgrade for BF6 release :(
 
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Have you watched any optimisation videos? There might be some tips/tricks to get more consistent framerates.
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Yeah I did for the current games I have. but it doesn't seem to work. For example, BFV I'm suppose to turn everything on lowest to ensure my CPU usage is the lowest is can be. But my frames still drop from 157 to 100. Even stuff like BIOS settings, PBO or whatever it is along with resizeable BAR. Legit feels no difference with them enabled and disabled.

There is another option which I want to avoid. I have never overclocked in my life but perhaps overclocking the CPU will help the usage decrease? Idk.
 
WOW, wouldnt of thought it would be that bad playing at that resolution, although if i remember right i did see quite a big difference when i moved from the 5800x to the 5800x3d years ago.
 
Samhfx said:
Yeah I did for the current games I have. but it doesn't seem to work. For example, BFV I'm suppose to turn everything on lowest to ensure my CPU usage is the lowest is can be. But my frames still drop from 157 to 100. Even stuff like BIOS settings, PBO or whatever it is along with resizeable BAR. Legit feels no difference with them enabled and disabled.

There is another option which I want to avoid. I have never overclocked in my life but perhaps overclocking the CPU will help the usage decrease? Idk.
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Lowering the settings can often give you MORE chop rather than less, just because you're moving the bottleneck away from the GPU and onto the CPU, though I'm not sure which specific settings you were advised to lower.
 
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Lowering the settings can often give you MORE chop rather than less, just because you're moving the bottleneck away from the GPU and onto the CPU, though I'm not sure which specific settings you were advised to lower.
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The problem I have right now is giving myself false hope by typing questions into GROK and apparently I'm going to get 140-200 fps easily with DLSS. When I played the playtest with the 3070 110 wasn't easy, I don't think the GPU upgrade will magically give me that performance lol.
But yeah, DLSS should help hopefully just unsure what FPS I can maintain because obviously my 1% lows are gonna be insane so I would have to cap very low perhaps.

Battlefield V is completely scuffed though. I can't even run the game with dirextx12 because of stutters, I'm unsure if it's because of some cache stuff and I have to sit through every map until it clears but I use directx11.
 
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Admittedly I am old and this is probably a very stupid question but on BFV and on BF2042 I never used to notice much of an issue with any framerate that I could observe with my old 5900X. You do have your adaptive sync working correctly don't you ?

I can tell you though that my 9800X3D with 9070XT on BF6 Beta was never below 150fps
 
Samhfx said:
The problem I have right now is giving myself false hope by typing questions into GROK and apparently I'm going to get 140-200 fps easily with DLSS. When I played the playtest with the 3070 110 wasn't easy, I don't think the GPU upgrade will magically give me that performance lol.
But yeah, DLSS should help hopefully just unsure what FPS I can maintain because obviously my 1% lows are gonna be insane so I would have to cap very low perhaps.

Battlefield V is completely scuffed though. I can't even run the game with dirextx12 because of stutters, I'm unsure if it's because of some cache stuff and I have to sit through every map until it clears but I use directx11.
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Yeah BFV with DX12 is a **** show

Did you play the BF6 beta, they have heavily optimised this game and I would wait before casting judgement on it


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welshrat said:
Yeah BFV with DX12 is a **** show

Did you play the BF6 beta, they have heavily optimised this game and I would wait before casting judgement on it

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Yeah I did I was using a 3070 at the time and struggled to maintain 110 FPS. This is the main to why I bought the 5070 ti last week to prepare for BF6. But I had no idea about the CPU problems I was going to have lol.
 
welshrat said:
Admittedly I am old and this is probably a very stupid question but on BFV and on BF2042 I never used to notice much of an issue with any framerate that I could observe with my old 5900X. You do have your adaptive sync working correctly don't you ?

I can tell you though that my 9800X3D with 9070XT on BF6 Beta was never below 150fps
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Yeah well that is a good CPU. Wanna swap for my 5800x? :D
 
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