Hey if it stops poor people coming down my road then i'm all up for it..
Funny how people are comparing this to China.
How many other countries that have digital ID's have turned into China
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Funny how people are comparing this to China.
How many other countries that have digital ID's have turned into China
erm have you even looked at the information available on what this ID scheme is? because it doesnt sound like it at all...
weve already gone over why its not the same as an ID card in somewhere like switzerland.
or when you want to use a website that has no current way to differentiate between adults and children and does not wish too.
like imgur and soon every social media.
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Looking at this - https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ual/how-to-prove-and-verify-someones-identity
So with all these registered service providers - why do we need a wallet on the phone? The data is simply irrelevant. The service provider will request you (the person sat in front of the phone) to provide artefacts of your being (ie face etc) which can already be spoofed .. so the service provider will challenge you to prove it with something memorised.
The point I'm getting at is - the data on the phone is bunkum. A service provider will demand to identify you, not that you have possession of the data.
If a company wants to verify my right to work - it should simply ask the service provider "verify this person has the right to work" and the response will be yes or no. No data is required to be provided to a company. The company has a record of the verification for your employment which satisfies the requirement of the government.
As cybersecurity is an ever changing landscape, the company will not have to change and thus only the vetted service providers will. Your phone will not need updating either.
There is not reason for a wallet or an app on the phone - we have service providers doing it dynamically.
This is incorrect. All a identity on the phone is doing that says you have the right to work, is validating that someone in the past has held the right to work and that their identity and authorisation is on the phone. It may not be the individual holding the phone. The government isn't going to accept it because it's on your phone..
The only way for an individual's right to work is validated is for that individual to present themselves to a service provider that verifies the individual holding the phone and gives the resulting confirmation.
That's the key difference.. and a vital one. It requires a challenge to prove and preferably something not visible (such as a PIN only known by the individual that the service provider uses to validate along with the identity, the PIN can then be reset) although this causes more failures due to PIN/code overload on people.
I'd be tempted to delete the app and ID off the phone between needed use.
So with all these registered service providers - why do we need a wallet on the phone? The data is simply irrelevant. The service provider will request you (the person sat in front of the phone) to provide artefacts of your being (ie face etc) which can already be spoofed .. so the service provider will challenge you to prove it with something memorised.
The point I'm getting at is - the data on the phone is bunkum. A service provider will demand to identify you, not that you have possession of the data.
If a company wants to verify my right to work - it should simply ask the service provider "verify this person has the right to work" and the response will be yes or no. No data is required to be provided to a company. The company has a record of the verification for your employment which satisfies the requirement of the government.
As cybersecurity is an ever changing landscape, the company will not have to change and thus only the vetted service providers will. Your phone will not need updating either.
There is not reason for a wallet or an app on the phone - we have service providers doing it dynamically.
Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-digital-id-scheme-to-be-rolled-out-across-uk
This is incorrect. All a identity on the phone is doing that says you have the right to work, is validating that someone in the past has held the right to work and that their identity and authorisation is on the phone. It may not be the individual holding the phone. The government isn't going to accept it because it's on your phone..
The only way for an individual's right to work is validated is for that individual to present themselves to a service provider that verifies the individual holding the phone and gives the resulting confirmation.
That's the key difference.. and a vital one. It requires a challenge to prove and preferably something not visible (such as a PIN only known by the individual that the service provider uses to validate along with the identity, the PIN can then be reset) although this causes more failures due to PIN/code overload on people.
I'd be tempted to delete the app and ID off the phone between needed use.
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Will it? Have you got a source that states the issued ID will be necessary for OSA?
watch mps talking about it the last few days it's obvious
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So that's a 'no' then?
It seems there's far too many in here going all 'tin foil hat cat' and letting their imagination run wild when currently they've only officially stated it'll used for Right to Work and you won't need to permanently carry it with you. It's the same for the technical aspects on what information it'll contain, how you'll use it and how it'll be stored (both by the government and on user devices and the interaction between them).
Don't assume i agree with it or otherwise; i'm just going to wait until they flesh the idea out before i reach for the Bacofoil
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Because they currently approve asylum applications like candy?
So that's a 'no' then?
It seems there's far too many in here going all 'tin foil hat cat' and letting their imagination run wild when currently they've only officially stated it'll used for Right to Work and you won't need to permanently carry it with you. It's the same for the technical aspects on what information it'll contain, how you'll use it and how it'll be stored (both by the government and on user devices and the interaction between them).
Don't assume i agree with it or otherwise; i'm just going to wait until they flesh the idea out before i reach for the Bacofoil
you do realise why sites like imgur disappear right? because they arent protecting the children.
dont worry you can soon prove to twitter, facebook and everywhere else including your VPN that you are an adult so they can comply with the online safety act.
don't worry its just a conspiracy, until its not, how old are the naïve ones who don't see what it really is? some of us are old enough to spot a pattern.
has there been a single assurance on what it will never be used for? this gov can't control what the next gov use it for either.
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you do realise why sites like imgur disappear right? because they arent protecting the children.
dont worry you can soon prove to twitter, facebook and everywhere else including your VPN that you are an adult so they can comply with the online safety act.
Imgur, and it's parent MediaLab, didn't disappear; they geo-blocked the UK based on a decision from the ICO of the "...intent to impose a monetary penalty on MediaLab..." (here).
Neither the ICO, Ofcom nor MediaLab have stated the exact reasoning behind why MediaLab are to be fined. Although there's a few rumoring it's around age verification on account creation under Data Protection rather than the OSA (here).
But fair enough regarding the Government's stance on using the Digital ID for age verification (here's a link rather than a screenshot - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/digital-id-scheme-explainer/digital-id-scheme-explainer).
But i still want to hear more on actual specifics from the Government before i blindly chug on the dystopia coolaid.
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Damn right, my tin foil hat stopped me from getting any vaccine injuries!!Will it? Have you got a source that states the issued ID will be necessary for OSA?
you do realise why sites like imgur disappear right? because they arent protecting the children.
dont worry you can soon prove to twitter, facebook and everywhere else including your VPN that you are an adult so they can comply with the online safety act.
don't worry its just a conspiracy, until its not, how old are the naïve ones who don't see what it really is? some of us are old enough to spot a pattern.
has there been a single assurance on what it will never be used for? this gov can't control what the next gov use it for either.
Or who else will get hold of all the data...
People didn't want the NHS sharing their data years back and said it wouldn't be safe. Guess what... they got hacked, more than once. Multiple councils have been hacked, the DVLA hand out data to practically anyone who asks for it. Why should anyone trust them? It's just another large collection of data in one place to get breached.
Staying safe online means being anonymous.
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Only a few month back i was saying you will have to be chipped just to enter stores. This is same thing and will happen to the digital id.
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we can remove our hats but they cant remove spike proteins lol.
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Funny thing; recently interviewees on the BBC have been banging on about how great the Estonian national digital ID scheme is and how we should copy it for our convenience etc, but it turns out that the Estonian scheme's database was hacked and a lot of personal data was stolen from it by a bored Estonian techie:
Note the green hyperlink so @Diddums doesn't get upset.
Note the green hyperlink so @Diddums doesn't get upset.
"yeah but that won't happen to ours" incoming.......Funny thing; recently interviewees on the BBC have been banging on about how great the Estonian national digital ID scheme is and how we should copy it for our convenience etc, but it turns out that the Estonian scheme's database was hacked and a lot of personal data was stolen from it by a bored Estonian techie:
Note the green hyperlink so @Diddums doesn't get upset.
Still have a paper licence as I haven't moved house since before photo licences were a thing, and this licence is valid until I'm 70 and does not need to be renewed (at a cost) every 10 years. **** digital ID!
While that stance might seem reasonable it's quite naive because it ignores gradualism and social direction.
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