Poll: AmorIn or AmorOut?

[fez]

Also one thing I noticed about Guardiola is he is always changing his style and tactics, unlike Amorim. He somehow finds a way to make it work.

Does he? Hes had the best squad in the league arguably every season probably since he arrived. Certainly the best or second best. Hes clearly a fantastic manager who adapts and changes but he is also a chequebook manager who never has to really worry about any weaknesses. He also didn't do a very good job of adapting to the injury of Rodri.

its much easier to tweak and change when you have a squad of world class players and then a bench that has game changers throughout.

 

[dacads]

Does he? Hes had the best squad in the league arguably every season probably since he arrived. Certainly the best or second best. Hes clearly a fantastic manager who adapts and changes but he is also a chequebook manager who never has to really worry about any weaknesses. He also didn't do a very good job of adapting to the injury of Rodri.

its much easier to tweak and change when you have a squad of world class players and then a bench that has game changers throughout.

Yes i.e. look at their posession stats this season, I believe lower than any previous season. Clearly having a unique style but also adapting to the play or general play in the league.

 

[sigma]

Does he? Hes had the best squad in the league arguably every season probably since he arrived. Certainly the best or second best. Hes clearly a fantastic manager who adapts and changes but he is also a chequebook manager who never has to really worry about any weaknesses. He also didn't do a very good job of adapting to the injury of Rodri.

its much easier to tweak and change when you have a squad of world class players and then a bench that has game changers throughout.

Same as Klopp, had the best player in the world. Now he's off boil he can't nick tight games for them.

Still a great manager but helped by great player(s). SAF always had the best too.

 

[dacads]

Same as Klopp, had the best player in the world. Now he's off boil he can't nick tight games for them.

Still a great manager but helped by great player(s). SAF always had the best too.

Klopp is much more than that though, success prior to Liverpool too. AFAIK Liverpool are having some other issues too, but that's besides the point.

Bringing it back to the topic, of course a team is made up of individuals, so everyone has to be playing their part. i.e. no good having the best attacker in the world if your defence is **** poor. And talking of defence Amorim still hasn't found out the best combination.. (in defence)

 

[sigma]

Klopp is much more than that though, success prior to Liverpool too. AFAIK Liverpool are having some other issues too, but that's besides the point.

Bringing it back to the topic, of course a team is made up of individuals, so everyone has to be playing their part. i.e. no good having the best attacker in the world if your defence is **** poor. And talking of defence Amorim still hasn't found out the best combination.. (in defence)

Yeah Klopp definitely better than Pep

 

[JRS]

Klopp is much more than that though, success prior to Liverpool too. AFAIK Liverpool are having some other issues too, but that's besides the point.

Bringing it back to the topic, of course a team is made up of individuals, so everyone has to be playing their part. i.e. no good having the best attacker in the world if your defence is **** poor. And talking of defence Amorim still hasn't found out the best combination.. (in defence)

Well, he will persist in playing Luke Shaw and Harry Maguire there, who are so slow it's impossible to tell if they're even alive sometimes. Shaw should have been pensioned off three managers ago, and Maguire probably shouldn't have been given another year but thanks to Utd's bizarre recruitment priorities they ended up needing him. Even if it's just so they have a solid object to bounce the ball off in order to nick a goal late on once in a while.

 

[dacads]

Well, he will persist in playing Luke Shaw and Harry Maguire there, who are so slow it's impossible to tell if they're even alive sometimes. Shaw should have been pensioned off three managers ago, and Maguire probably shouldn't have been given another year but thanks to Utd's bizarre recruitment priorities they ended up needing him. Even if it's just so they have a solid object to bounce the ball off in order to nick a goal late on once in a while.

I thought Maguire had a good season last year? Probably one of the better players.. to overcome all the noise and come back like that I think just showed his character.

Agree about Shaw, I guess Mourinho was right about him and some other things

 

[Calpol]

i.e. no good having the best attacker in the world if your defence is **** poor. And talking of defence Amorim still hasn't found out the best combination.. (in defence)

We looked better with Mazraoui, De Light, Yoro.
Mazraoui is a good footballer but he seems to be a bit weak even when it isn't Ramadan. I guess we lose him to AFCON though so you need a back up. Yoro can play left or right and I still think Martinez is the right type of character. Heaven needs a bit of experience but has never been out his depth completely. Amorim simply must abandon Shaw and Maguire. They will kill him otherwise.

A few days after the weekend and I am less hawkish. Can't ignore what might have been. Imagine Fernandes scores both penalties - which he normally does. Does that give us two more points or maybe even 4? Of course the next game is critical. What happens if it all clicks and we thrash Sunderland?? Lets just hope he shows his team selection offers something different to the crap we saw on Saturday.

 

[Converge]

I agree, but I don’t think Martinez is the answer. He’s been awful since the injuries have started plaguing him and has been overpowered a lot and not as situationally aware. Maybe it’ll be different this time and he’ll be back to what he was in that first season. And he is strong from a character / mentality perspective.

Still think the players think Amorim’s on borrowed time now and won’t behave.

 

[sigma]

We looked better with Mazraoui, De Light, Yoro.
Mazraoui is a good footballer but he seems to be a bit weak even when it isn't Ramadan. I guess we lose him to AFCON though so you need a back up. Yoro can play left or right and I still think Martinez is the right type of character. Heaven needs a bit of experience but has never been out his depth completely. Amorim simply must abandon Shaw and Maguire. They will kill him otherwise.

A few days after the weekend and I am less hawkish. Can't ignore what might have been. Imagine Fernandes scores both penalties - which he normally does. Does that give us two more points or maybe even 4? Of course the next game is critical. What happens if it all clicks and we thrash Sunderland?? Lets just hope he shows his team selection offers something different to the crap we saw on Saturday.

Sunderland are playing well

I think the keeper and defence issues are the biggest issues we face especially the former. Attack not gelling you can put down to new players.

 

[mid_gen]

We are going to lose to Sunderland going on form. They are a decent side and our home form is dreadful. This will be the day the fans in the stadium turn on him.

 

[Vandle]

We are going to lose to Sunderland going on form. They are a decent side and our home form is dreadful. This will be the day the fans in the stadium turn on him.

Never forget them celebrating that Aguero goal like it was a winner in the World Cup Final. No mercy.

 

[JRS]

Checked last night because I wasn't certain about this but OGS's last game, the 4-1 abject loss to Watford? Take a look who was in that team.

Luke Shaw, who was slow and long past his best as a footballer thanks to being crocked five too many times. Harry Maguire, who was also slow and so past caring about putting a shift in that he ended up getting himself sent off. Bruno Fernandes, stuck in the midfield behind CR7 spending the entire match doing nothing of note. Diogo Dalot, brought on from the bench apparently to be there in body but not in spirit.

They're all still there at the club. All still getting games.

But yeah, keep telling yourselves it's the manager and the system and and and. Just need to get Yet Another Manager™ in, he'll be the one that gets an actual performance out of them all. Definitely.

100%.

Guaranteed.

...

And then when they don't we get to have this thread all over again

 

[Robbo]

Amorim is choosing to play Shaw, for example. He left Yoro on the bench, an actual centre back. You can't just pin all of this on a couple of players.

He is not setting the team up to give them the best chance of winning, and that is quite frankly ludicrous however you try and justify it.

I'd like him to turn things around but looking at the fixture list, there's almost no chance of this happening unfortunately. I've about given up on him.

 

[Shamikebab]

Amorim is choosing to play Shaw, for example. He left Yoro on the bench, an actual centre back. You can't just pin all of this on a couple of players.

He is not setting the team up to give them the best chance of winning, and that is quite frankly ludicrous however you try and justify it.

I'd like him to turn things around but looking at the fixture list, there's almost no chance of this happening unfortunately. I've about given up on him.

Playing a right footer on the left of a three limits your options quite a lot in buildup. Shaw is actually our best progressive passer from CB with Martinez out.

 

[sx_turbo]

I don't know how amorim still has a job...

 

[Robbo]

Playing a right footer on the left of a three limits your options quite a lot in buildup. Shaw is actually our best progressive passer from CB with Martinez out.

Either way, if Shaw is being blamed for our downfall then he can't play...

Unfair to single out Maguire too, he's contributed more big moments than anyone aside from Bruno I'd say.

 

[sigma]

I think the various opinions and views just show how messed up the club is. The players are still rubbish (or not good enough for EPL) and have been for ages.

Very few people seem to be pointing the finger at the people buying the players.

 

[sigma]

Isn't Heaven left footed?

 

[sigma]

Playing a right footer on the left of a three limits your options quite a lot in buildup. Shaw is actually our best progressive passer from CB with Martinez out.

Could play a back 4 then (lol)