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Mysterae_ said:
That's the thing, they don't need a nuclear plant in their backyard as they generate enough power. The power is needed elsewhere and are upset that the natural beauty is being blighted to supply that power to towns and cities hundreds of miles away or not even used for a third of the time.

My hope is that new technology will come along and negate the need for wind turbines as they don't need to be permanent as they can easily be removed, unlike nuclear. For example, the Dounreay nuclear site at the top of Scotland will take another 50 years to decommission, with the end date of the whole project scheduled for the year 2333.
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The Scottish government seems keen to take the tax from wind turbines though. However, there's plenty of room on the south coast here. There are virtually no wind farms here after the NIMBYs blocked them years ago.
 
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i have to be honest and say even as someone massively in support of more on land wind turbines....it would really p.... me off having banks and banks of them in my back yard and yet still paying sky high prices whilst all that energy is being sent down south to people paying less than I was.

People living within sight of them** paying 50% more standing charges than I am, it just isnt fair imo.

**my mate sent me a scan of his Octopus bill and we compared it with mine, both on intelligent Octopus but the difference was i am East Anglia he is in the North west.
 
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That’s ultimately because rural areas are more expensive to serve electricity to on the local grid. The local grid company gets more money from each customer in its area compared to somewhere more urbanised. The national grid by comparison is relatively cheap and every pays into it.

it’s ultimately a result of privatisation and the break up of the network operators into local monopolies for no purpose whatsoever other than making a quick buck to spend in tax cuts for those with the most.

P.S. you live near me, we don’t live in south east.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
That’s ultimately because rural areas are more expensive to serve electricity to on the local grid. The local grid company gets more money from each customer in its area compared to somewhere more urbanised. The national grid by comparison is relatively cheap and every pays into it.

it’s ultimately a result of privatisation and the break up of the network operators into local monopolies for no purpose whatsoever other than making a quick buck to spend in tax cuts for those with the most.

P.S. you live near me, we don’t live in south east.
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I put east Anglia initially .... but figured it is south east still (Essex Suffolk border) and a lot of people don't know where east Anglia is.
however I will edit it back to east Anglia if you like. point still stands. having people living on top of wind farms paying sky high service charge but no benefit of cheap units is daft and encourages NIMBYsm
 
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bigmike20vt said:
I put east Anglia initially .... but figured it is south east still (Essex Suffolk border) and a lot of people don't know where east Anglia is.
however I will edit it back to east Anglia if you like. point still stands. having people living on top of wind farms paying sky high service charge but no benefit of cheap units is daft and encourages NIMBYsm
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Essex is still the East of England (unfortunately, no offence :p), you have to cross the bridge to Kent to be in the south east.

Bizarrely, Oxfordshire is considered to be in the south east despite being north west of London and closer to the west coast than the east coast.

I guess the rich toths can’t possibly be linked to the poorer south west or heaven forbid, the midlands.
 
bigmike20vt said:
that isn't quite the same!... (that said I would support it..... i quite fancy moving closer to Southwold and cheap Ghost ship would be another good reason to ;) )
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Well I wasn't that serious but I'm sure some will rise to it :cry:

That said, I have posted here before how those furthest from generation are paying the most towards the distribution grid but that was quite old data. Unfortunately I can't find anything new and as usual trying to find anything from ofgem is a nightmare. I dont see why they would have changed it but there doesn't seem to be any difference in unit prices now and this was the mechanism they used in the unit price not standing charge.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Bizarrely, Oxfordshire is considered to be in the south east despite being north west of London and closer to the west coast than the east coast.
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I've always wondered why this was the case.

Imagine living in Banbury (northern Oxfordshire, fairly close to the border where Northamptonshire starts) and saying you live in the South East. Just doesn't make sense at all :p
 
200sols said:
The Scottish government seems keen to take the tax from wind turbines though. However, there's plenty of room on the south coast here. There are virtually no wind farms here after the NIMBYs blocked them years ago.
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There is generally very little wind on the south coast, maybe up on the downs. Hence a good venue for dinghys.
 
Just moved from Octopus to Home Energy(?). Saves around £200 a year. We were fixed until June 2026 and paying more than the going rate so can't complain tbh.
 
Hagar said:
There is generally very little wind on the south coast, maybe up on the downs. Hence a good venue for dinghys.
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There is wind. I meant offshore room not on land. There were proposals years ago as I said, not blocked because they werent viable due to wind speed, blocked because people didn't want their view ruined... offshore..
 
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SMR might fix the problem but meanwhile linking cost to local generation would have been in proportion but they arent going to do that so infrastructure and losses from moving elec across the country will be a problem I guess.
Maybe Edison was right with DC and a power station every 20 miles :D

SMR to supply Gatwick would actually duplicate existing matchups like our local solar farm puts all its elec into a refinery, slightly ironic :p but the consistent demand matched makes sense.
Its an even bigger problem in USA where they built giant hydrodams post war but demand is not local to that especially.

Diddums said:
Just moved from Octopus to Home Energy(?).
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Can you link them pls
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Likewise, the alternative is we stick a Sizewell c equivalent in their back yard instead. Not sure they would go for that either.
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No, the alternative would be to relax building rules, ignore NIMBYs and build down South.
 
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