This is the issue though, defence not sorted for years, no solid GK, somehow an issue isn't resolved or more issues are created.
Poll: AmorIn or AmorOut?
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No excuse to lose to Brentford though. They have endured far worse over the summer.
It's a low bar. Shaw does not have the cajones to play for this club. Never has had.
Maguire has fooled us all. I respect him for his fightback. However, lets not forget ten Hag wanted rid of him because he knew that he did not have the pace to play the high line that ten Hag wanted. Had Martinez not been such a crock Maguire would have been sold. Now we are saddled with him and a lot of us have convinced ourselves that he's not that bad. He's not but he's also not that good. Varane and Martinez was decent.
I don't think ten hag bought one good player. As stated above. There is a spine of the team wooped by Watford in Ole's last game still playing 4 years later. A five man clearout in the summer wasn't nearly enough
Just looking at the Euro thread and the talk of Hojlund now scoring goals. Plus Rashford looking like a player on his first return to England and the regression of Cuhna, Mainoo et al and the fact he can't seem to find a settled team. Has this manager improved any of the players since he arrived?
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He may put in effort Still doesn't make him good enough he has been at united long enough now , he really gets exposed with the lack of pace don't think any other top team has CB that slow ?
Found it funny when he came on later in the Manchester derby when united back line was high chasing a goal and haaland with Maguire was never gonna end well
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The official line is that the club are fully behind him, but James Ducker (usually well sourced) is reporting he needs to avoid defeat today or he's probably gone.
I mean, surely this goes without saying anyway... and we've got Liverpool up next, and then a few more very difficult games...
Edit: it's worth adding Ornstein thinks he's safe for now, but I can't see how that's possible if we keep losing.
I mean, surely this goes without saying anyway... and we've got Liverpool up next, and then a few more very difficult games...
Edit: it's worth adding Ornstein thinks he's safe for now, but I can't see how that's possible if we keep losing.
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His pre- match presser (embargoed part) was quite telling.
Sunderland Presser -embargo
You can tell the poor bloke is exasperated but he was as honest as he could be when fielding the incessant "system and formation" questions. As a few of us have been saying - it aint the system that causes Bayinder to throw goals in net, Fernandes to miss two pens in 4 matches, Dalot to just be garbage. Amorim basically says that they do not do the things that top teams do, week in week out. The things the do in training. Honestly, it's 80% mentality with these players and it only takes a couple of them to give up and the whole thing falls apart. If we sack him then the club only has itself to blame for not clearing out more of the deadwood and prioritising positions that were not the most pressing weaknesses.
Let's hope we can leave it all out there today.
Sunderland Presser -embargo
You can tell the poor bloke is exasperated but he was as honest as he could be when fielding the incessant "system and formation" questions. As a few of us have been saying - it aint the system that causes Bayinder to throw goals in net, Fernandes to miss two pens in 4 matches, Dalot to just be garbage. Amorim basically says that they do not do the things that top teams do, week in week out. The things the do in training. Honestly, it's 80% mentality with these players and it only takes a couple of them to give up and the whole thing falls apart. If we sack him then the club only has itself to blame for not clearing out more of the deadwood and prioritising positions that were not the most pressing weaknesses.
Let's hope we can leave it all out there today.
It's definitely an oversimplification of the situation to just blame Amorim, but ultimately there will be a manager who can get a better tune out of this set of players.
I don't personally feel he's doing everything he can to get results, there are certain things he refuses to change - which is his right - and that will cost him his job.
The Athletic made an interesting video where they explain the stats from this season, and the upshot is our high XG is because the players shoot as quickly as they can, and the wingbacks are totally ineffective supporting the attack. Therefore the whole thing falls apart. And of course, the midfield is non-existent most of the time...
I don't personally feel he's doing everything he can to get results, there are certain things he refuses to change - which is his right - and that will cost him his job.
The Athletic made an interesting video where they explain the stats from this season, and the upshot is our high XG is because the players shoot as quickly as they can, and the wingbacks are totally ineffective supporting the attack. Therefore the whole thing falls apart. And of course, the midfield is non-existent most of the time...
Yeah I saw that. For me that just speaks to the anxiety they feel when playing for Man Utd. It was the same under ten Hag. How many times did we berate Bruno or Garnacho for shooting when they could have passed. They have to trust in the processes that is behind wining possession, creating space and ultimately chances to score. As I've said before these players are conditioned to perform a certain way and they have scar tissue of defeats which is almost impossible to overcome. It's cultural and we are naive to think that it is overcome by a new coach and three new players.
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Wonder if they’ll just keep him and see how the season and hope to get Glasner in the summer.
World cup year too so we’ll have a few managers back on the dole.
No, no he hasn’t improved anyone.
Hojlund was still set up to fail at United with the lack of service. Even when he was getting chances he was making a mess of them. He did score goals in Europe but struggled in the PL. His game is probably just better suited to the slower Italian league.
World cup year too so we’ll have a few managers back on the dole.
No, no he hasn’t improved anyone.
Hojlund was still set up to fail at United with the lack of service. Even when he was getting chances he was making a mess of them. He did score goals in Europe but struggled in the PL. His game is probably just better suited to the slower Italian league.
The problem is, it doesn't matter whether the problems sit outside the manager, if he is also part of the problem then he needs to go too. If the players have a confidence issue then you need a manager who can give them confidence. Results build confidence so a manager not getting results won't be helping.
Not many times I disagree with you Fez but... Too many of these players have continually flaky mentality regardless who the boss was. We had the least hateable man in the world Ole, supported by lovely Phelan, McKenna and Carrick. They then forced ten Hag to abandon his preferred play style and now Amorim has no idea what he will get week to week. Imagine suggesting to Roy Keane that he needed a manager to give him confidence. Of course its different these days but Amorim is a young guy, not too many years removed from the playing generation and he is for sure a lot more charismatic than the previous guy. Confidence comes from consistent performances, consistent performances come from hard work and applying what the coach has told you to do in the week.
Despite today's win and clean sheet, he (Amorim) was quick to point out that we were poor in the second half but ultimately managed the game. When have we seen these players deliver a good 90 mins? Almost never. That's not confidence -it's attitude. Some of them have a decent attitude but not enough. Add to that the fact that we have literally no midfielder who looks like he would get in any other top side and Dalot playing at LWB and its hardly surprising we are performing at mid table level. I'm certainly not excusing him for some of the blame but he's about 20% through the rebuild that is required so it's no wonder our form is still so patchy.
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So, I initially said give him 10 league games and I think that's fair. Although it's been quite a testing time... 3 games to go and we're currently 10th, which isn't great but it looks a lot better than 15th.
The game vs Liverpool is going to be interesting. They are a good side but stuttering quite badly at the moment and will be under serious pressure to win. If we can go there and beat them, unlikely though it is, it would inject a boost into Amorim and the squad, for sure. On the other hand, they could easily exploit Amorim's predictable formation and overload the midfield, and we get absolutely torn to pieces.
I remain far from convinced, but on balance I think we give him to the next international break. So we've got Liverpool (A), Brighton (H), Forest (A), Spurs (A). If we come out of those 4 games with 7/8 points, things may not look too bleak.
Ultimately I don't think he's a good enough manager, but we'll see.
The game vs Liverpool is going to be interesting. They are a good side but stuttering quite badly at the moment and will be under serious pressure to win. If we can go there and beat them, unlikely though it is, it would inject a boost into Amorim and the squad, for sure. On the other hand, they could easily exploit Amorim's predictable formation and overload the midfield, and we get absolutely torn to pieces.
I remain far from convinced, but on balance I think we give him to the next international break. So we've got Liverpool (A), Brighton (H), Forest (A), Spurs (A). If we come out of those 4 games with 7/8 points, things may not look too bleak.
Ultimately I don't think he's a good enough manager, but we'll see.
Ratcliffe prepared to give Amorim quite some time then... 
www.bbc.co.uk
I don't really think comments like this help.
Ruben Amorim: Manchester United boss needs three years to prove himself a 'great' coach, says co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe
Manchester United co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe says manager Ruben Amorim needs three years to prove he is a "great" coach.
www.bbc.co.uk
I don't really think comments like this help.
He does sort of have a point though. It’s just a shame it probably won’t pan out as positively as he seems to be hoping.Ratcliffe prepared to give Amorim quite some time then...
Ruben Amorim: Manchester United boss needs three years to prove himself a 'great' coach, says co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe
Manchester United co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe says manager Ruben Amorim needs three years to prove he is a "great" coach.
I don't really think comments like this help.
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He's just easing the pressure, seems like a smart thing to do.
On the contrary I think they do help. They certainly help the coach and they should send a clear message to the players who may be on the fence.Ratcliffe prepared to give Amorim quite some time then...
Ruben Amorim: Manchester United boss needs three years to prove himself a 'great' coach, says co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe
Manchester United co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe says manager Ruben Amorim needs three years to prove he is a "great" coach.
I don't really think comments like this help.
United are still a tough watch and I'm sure a poor result against 'pool will send us back down the longest snake again. However, the next match is a good barometer as to how together the team actually are and how flexible the manager can be in order to get a result. Three years seems a long time - it's realistic and pragmatic but seldom does that count in elite sport.
