Poll: DIGITAL ID - It's coming *** NO GENERAL POLITICS TALK - ONE AND ONLY WARNING ***

[visibleman]

The way you stop them is by making the journey worthless. Deport illegal immigrants immediately, catch them all at point of entry and return them, news will spread. Also reduce the generousity of the benefits to an absolute miserable minimum and remove people once their right to remain is over. Stop being so ridiculously geneours with our right to remain.

Remove the pull factors and increase the risk of wasting your hard earned criminal gang fee and people will stop paying to come here.

I agree in that we should reform the benefit system* and use it as a deterrent by making it as unattractive as possible to immigration; realistically it's about the only lever we have and a Digital ID could help with this.

Outside of that, everything is a massive uphill struggle especially around patrol and deportation which is not only stupidly expensive but requires cooperation from other countries which has been made a magnitude harder given we're now outside the EU.

* IMO, it needs reforming anyway given the amount of fraud committed (~£10bn yearly) by (largely) our own but that's for another thread.

 

[visibleman]

They are all coming from the same place in a narrow stretch of water...

It's not like they are coming across from the arctic or Denmark lol

There's a few reports that seem to suggest the current level of patrol in the Channel is having little effect on crossings, even when the Navy gets involved (here). And given the fact they've found evidence of smugglers using/going to use other locations in less patrolled areas, like the Norfolk (here) coastline, an increase in patrol of the Channel is unlikely to change any of this - you can guard the front door as much as you want but, it's all a bit pointless if you leave the backdoor open.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

There's a few reports that seem to suggest the current level of patrol in the Channel is having little effect on crossings, even when the Navy gets involved (here). And given the fact they've found evidence of smugglers using/going to use other locations in less patrolled areas, like the Norfolk (here) coastline, an increase in patrol of the Channel is unlikely to change any of this - you can guard the front door as much as you want but, it's all a bit pointless if you leave the backdoor open.

Probably because it's a complete waste of time if you consider the cost / benefit of doing it.

 

[Nasher]

It will be winter soon anyway. That seems to be the best deterrent.

 

[Drizmod]

Not read the whole thread yet so may have been covered but if the gov brings this in can a future gov get rid of it?

 

[Demon]

Not read the whole thread yet so may have been covered but if the gov brings this in can a future gov get rid of it?

Technically yes, practically this never happens..

 

[Drizmod]

Technically yes, practically this never happens..

If Reform make this a pledge they would be the next government

 

[UTmaniac]

Not read the whole thread yet so may have been covered but if the gov brings this in can a future gov get rid of it?

Well the Tory/Libs coalition scrapped the last Labour ID scheme in 2010, originally announced by David Blunkett in 2005, but they didn't start distributing any cards until around 2009.

 

[JonRGV250]

This has been rumbling on in the background for a quite a while now, but now hopefully something will be done about it.
One only has to look at some of the ridiculous reasons for not deporting certain criminals.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1975461261027803401

 

[vectisitch]

One of Blairs wishes. And that's a dangerous man. I have my ni number, passport and driving licence so I don't need or want a digital id thanks

 

[arknor]

tax man has peak interest in digital ID

A document published by the tax authority in July said that it was “interested in exploring further how digital identification models supported by data and technology improvements can benefit the tax and customs system".

I'm curious to see what compensation the first people to have their identities stolen and rinsed is going to be.

never give out your personal details online, be super cautious with your banking, look for the gold lock symbol etc...

is turning into just give out everything to any old website that's going to get hacked and give away all your data like discord just did for anyone who challenged age verification with a support ticket.

seems the support tickets just had IDs and stuff attached to them for all eternity

now people wont need to go rooting through bins looking for bank statements etc to get a phone in your name or phone up and pretend its the bank.


Mps probably aren;t even aware peoples stolen ids, credit card info etc gets sold in batches on TOR.


imagine how much the first breach is going to be worth and the kinds of social engineering they can do with those IDs in a newly implemented system that will surely have glaring flaws.

 

[visibleman]

Spoiler

tax man has peak interest in digital ID



I'm curious to see what compensation the first people to have their identities stolen and rinsed is going to be.

never give out your personal details online, be super cautious with your banking, look for the gold lock symbol etc...

is turning into just give out everything to any old website that's going to get hacked and give away all your data like discord just did for anyone who challenged age verification with a support ticket.

seems the support tickets just had IDs and stuff attached to them for all eternity

now people wont need to go rooting through bins looking for bank statements etc to get a phone in your name or phone up and pretend its the bank.


Mps probably aren;t even aware peoples stolen ids, credit card info etc gets sold in batches on TOR.


imagine how much the first breach is going to be worth and the kinds of social engineering they can do with those IDs in a newly implemented system that will surely have glaring flaws.

I do wonder how some people get up in the mornings...

Edit - I am surprised people are worried and fearful of potential cybersecurity issues with the proposed Digital ID but strangely seem perfectly happy to have passports and/or driving licences, which are stored digitally.

 

[arknor]

Edit - I am surprised people are worried and fearful of potential cybersecurity issues with the proposed Digital ID but strangely seem perfectly happy to have passports and/or driving licences, which are stored digitally.

yea but not by third parties like Discord who just got hacked and lost a bunch of peoples digital IDs

 

[Fubsy]

If Reform make this a pledge they would be the next government

Oh yea, and who will make them do it?

Once in, this will not go. It will be used to best serve those that control it.

 

[jpaul]

 

[visibleman]

yea but not by third parties like Discord who just got hacked and lost a bunch of peoples digital IDs

It was Zendesk rather than Discord themselves that got breached and the breached ID's were those submitted by customers (and stored within Zendesk) for verification, rather than a breach of ID providers/services.
Other than showing breaches occur, i'm not quite sure what this has got to do with the proposed Digital ID?

As said, people are happy to have UK passports and driving licences where data is stored digitally and accessible digitally, the Government is already pushing out phone wallet based driving licences, but oddly seem to have an issue with the security of the proposed Digital ID when there is (currently) nothing to suggest the Digital ID's data will be stored in less secure systems than existing forms of UK ID.

I have my ni number, passport and driving licence so I don't need or want a digital id thanks

NI isn't identification and a passport and driving licence are different forms of ID's required for specific purposes. Arguably a national ID card would include residency although what the Government is currently suggesting isn't quite that (more of a NI plus plus type ID) but who knows, it may change.

 

[Infidelus]

NI isn't identification and a passport and driving licence are different forms of ID's required for specific purposes.

And all of these are used to confirm right to work in the UK so a digital ID is neither necessary nor wanted.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

A NI number doesn't confirm you have the right to work in the UK, never has, never will.

 

[Infidelus]

A NI number doesn't confirm you have the right to work in the UK, never has, never will.

No, but it is your unique number used by HMRC for tax purposes and is required to get a job.

 

[Rroff]

As said, people are happy to have UK passports and driving licences where data is stored digitally and accessible digitally, the Government is already pushing out phone wallet based driving licences, but oddly seem to have an issue with the security of the proposed Digital ID when there is (currently) nothing to suggest the Digital ID's data will be stored in less secure systems than existing forms of UK ID.

A single ID which is a central requirement to most of your life has much bigger implications when the system fails or data is leaked, etc. than individual IDs which are mostly for one area and can be one of the methods used for other areas.

I'd go as far as to say with the current global situation it is very much not a time to be moving to this kind of ID system.