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I just see the massive battery lorrys going up and down the motorway topping up the motorway chargers instead…
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I just see the massive battery lorrys going up and down the motorway topping up the motorway chargers instead…
Still no ETA on IPace fix.
Have signed up for a Passat Phev on business lease. Was all set to go with a Skoda Superb but someone posted on the PH lease thread a great deal on a Passat Black Edition. Has all the goodies I wanted on the Superb and is much cheaper than the Skoda lease. £1,064 + 35x £354.69 + VAT 12K miles PA delivery before Christmas which might mean I'll have both for a bit.
Have signed up for a Passat Phev on business lease. Was all set to go with a Skoda Superb but someone posted on the PH lease thread a great deal on a Passat Black Edition. Has all the goodies I wanted on the Superb and is much cheaper than the Skoda lease. £1,064 + 35x £354.69 + VAT 12K miles PA delivery before Christmas which might mean I'll have both for a bit.
Same on my salary sacrifice scheme, green is free, everything else is at cost. £245 for Techno Comfort in Midnight Blue inc insurance, maintenance, tyres, recovery etc
Thanks for sharing. The range just seems to show 200 milestone full charge which is quite low and have been nursing it to see what sort of range I can get. Just hopeful it's just based it's range on previous use and not something more sinister. Was hoping for a solid 300 miles on a charge ideally. When the EV Charger is installed it's not so much of a problem but can charge at work also!Appreciate it, I'll check it out - definitely sits better than some of the USB dongles standing upright etc.
I am indeed, 8k miles & a year in now as I had one of the first MY25s. I mostly do motorway miles in mine so perhaps not a fair yardstick but doing about 240miles on a full charge, albeit it does increase noticeably if I sit in the slow lane vs normal commuting speed
Do you have FOMO of the MY26 improvements? Can't say I noticed the infotainment being particularly slow.
Got my breaker part through for the rubber flaps...totally unnecessary...
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It's a different kind of quality - maybe durability is a better word? While the fit and finish may not have been as precise and they were generally a bit more utilitarian, things used to be built to last.
Of course not all of it is down to cost saving, safety is a big one - an older solidly built car isn't going to crumple as well as a newer one made with "weaker" materials, so you're sacrificing durability for being able to walk away from a crash which might have killed you 20-30 years ago.
There's also the challenge of making them lighter (or at least not any heavier!) whilst simultaneously getting bigger, which means thinner panels/plastics/lighter materials which may not have the same longevity as solid lumps of steel.
Engines etc. are more precise and to tighter tolerances than ever, to eke out the most performance and economy possible, along with all the added ancillary components for emissions control etc.
And then of course there's the significant increase in electronics complexity for the sake of economy, safety, and driver convenience, which adds many more things to go wrong!
All of the above mean modern cars both have a lot more to go wrong, for it to be more likely to go wrong, and for it to be harder to repair (certainly impossible at the side of the road in the majority of cases!)
But yes, of course there are corners cut and cost savings made in material choice and design.
Thanks for sharing. The range just seems to show 200 milestone full charge which is quite low and have been nursing it to see what sort of range I can get. Just hopeful it's just based it's range on previous use and not something more sinister. Was hoping for a solid 300 miles on a charge ideally. When the EV Charger is installed it's not so much of a problem but can charge at work also!
Do you have FOMO of the MY26 improvements? Can't say I noticed the infotainment being particularly slow.
Got my breaker part through for the rubber flaps...totally unnecessary...
If you're set to dynamic on the range (you will be if its showing 200 miles range) it's based on recent driving patterns iirc. Standard is based on the WLTP expectations and miles off IME (but maybe I just accelerate too much etc).
Infotainment speed seems fine to me, albeit it's the newest car I've owned by a large margin. Although I've had to hard reset the infotainment maybe 8-10 times over the year. Usually because of indicators not making their normal sounds / music not working etc, albeit a reset holding down the home button on the screen has always fixed it.
When doing a cursory search about this display setting it seemed like they changed this with an update and it's only dynamic now?
Saying that, you can't even dim the display brightness...not that I can see anyway...
Also post covid hybrid working has reduced mileage of a lot of drivers. Quick look at numbers for fuel is a small decline but then again cars are more efficient too?
Would be interesting to find miles driven stats of diff powertrains by year
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I dunno, try fixing a car from 20-30 years ago compared to one today and then come back and tell me they're better quality now?
Sure they've got more features inside and stuff is more squishy but i really don't think the actually quality of components are better than an early 2000's car. No knobs or buttons ever fell off my 2002 Toyota Yaris for example and everything felt far better screwed together than my 2022 Hyundai, in the Yaris you felt you could let a couple of feral 5 year olds at it with no issues, not so much in modern cars..
Same goes for under the skin, things which were durable and metal are now plastic
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I dunno..... the drivers side door fell off my mates brand new Saxo VTR
(awesome car tho for a teenager, just so long as you didnt crash it - not the safest car in the world! - tho didnt have a penchant to decapitate you like my parents Sierra did in its crash tests.)
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I think people are confusing less advanced with “better”. Sorry but the safety features such as airbags and much better construction have reduced fatalities in car crashes significantly (less than 50%). The number of injuries has dropped to almost a third compared to the 90s.
I personally do not feel remotely nostalgic for a lightly constructed tin box car with no airbags or crumple zones.
I also have zero recollection of cars from the late 90s and early2000s being made of better quality stuff.
I personally do not feel remotely nostalgic for a lightly constructed tin box car with no airbags or crumple zones.
I also have zero recollection of cars from the late 90s and early2000s being made of better quality stuff.
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I think the complains are against fitments and finishings and i would say its a mixed bag. 1990s era japanese cars were awful tacky plastic crap interiors (which isnt to say not hard wearing). I loved my nissan 350z (early noughties) but it had a lot of cheap plastic parts inside.... A late model 370z is a far nicer place to be.
on the flip side however a VW golf GTI of 15 years ago with leather seats and what not probably did have more money spent on interior parts than a modern ID3 which has a dashboard made of recycled bottles**,& seaweed trim**, plastic seats made to look like leather and a big screen to replace most of the switches.
**I may have made that up!.
That said, i cant argue about the finishings in my ipace..... it seems well made to me, and after i treat my seats (doesnt happen often) it smells sufficiently like a grandmas handbag to remind me its real leather!., but I guess you could argue there is no wood, aluminium or carbon fibre in there..... but I would say wood in a car feels dated rather than premium anyway to me. YMMV I guess
on the flip side however a VW golf GTI of 15 years ago with leather seats and what not probably did have more money spent on interior parts than a modern ID3 which has a dashboard made of recycled bottles**,& seaweed trim**, plastic seats made to look like leather and a big screen to replace most of the switches.
**I may have made that up!.
That said, i cant argue about the finishings in my ipace..... it seems well made to me, and after i treat my seats (doesnt happen often) it smells sufficiently like a grandmas handbag to remind me its real leather!., but I guess you could argue there is no wood, aluminium or carbon fibre in there..... but I would say wood in a car feels dated rather than premium anyway to me. YMMV I guess
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I definitely am concerned about the longevity of these vegan alternatives for leather! Look at the steering wheels in any Tesla over a couple years old!
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maybe we will have to go old skool and put those brown bead mats on the seats which seemed to be popular in the 1970s and 1980s.
Yeah I had a 350z for a few months back in 2005 before I had to acknowledge it was not suitable for my work needs. It was not a well built car.
Agreed on some of the quality on VWs over the past 10 years. We test drove a VW T-Roc in 2017 and it felt super cheap.
Agreed on some of the quality on VWs over the past 10 years. We test drove a VW T-Roc in 2017 and it felt super cheap.
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i cant knock mine in terms of being solidly put together. Other than my ipace (touches plastic coated wood) it was the most reliable car i have ever owned with zero maintenance beyond the usual stuff that is expected to be replaced over the entire ownership (over 5 years).... it was just cheap looking inside.
So as others have said i guess it depends what you mean about quality.... is it soft touch, stitched finishings or is it bits which dont break, wear out, fall off or whether or not it starts to rust before it is double digits years old or is it how well it keeps in 1 piece in an accident.
I have heard (not sure if true or whether it is just anti chinese car FUD) that some MG EVs that are under 3 years old and are starting to rust due to not being sealed properly. if so that will really start to show up in the next few years and will likely become news... time will tell.
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Build quality and finish are two different things in my opinion. My 350z was not well built and was in no way as solid as the previous Audi A3. It looked cheap, felt cheap and had poor build quality. I bought a 2014 Qashqai despite my Nissan 350z experience and it solidified my hatred for all things Nissan.
I just don’t remember cars back then being any more solid, or indeed reliable.
For example my Ford Escort was terrible, as was my Rover 214i, 350z and Hyundai Coupe. All built cheap and felt cheap. I’m not saying newer cars are better, I just feel like some posters need to remove the rose tinted nostalgia glasses
I just don’t remember cars back then being any more solid, or indeed reliable.
For example my Ford Escort was terrible, as was my Rover 214i, 350z and Hyundai Coupe. All built cheap and felt cheap. I’m not saying newer cars are better, I just feel like some posters need to remove the rose tinted nostalgia glasses
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Imagine if put the keys to a Renault 5 and a top of the range Clio from 2000 in a bowl and asked you to pick up the keys of the car which was higher quality. There is only one correct answer here and it’s not the Clio for the avoidance of doubt.
I owned a Clio of this era, these things were renown for coil pack failures, leaking sun roofs and these two things scream high quality to me.
I owned a Clio of this era, these things were renown for coil pack failures, leaking sun roofs and these two things scream high quality to me.
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