Do lots of young people not work these days ?
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Put a chip on your other shoulder to balance yourself out.
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oh worked for a company I reported them for fraud and they've been shut down.
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So why aren't you capable of getting one that pays more than minimum wage?
Do you even try to get one - contribute to open source, a GitHub with personal projects, a side hustle - apps in the app stores etc.. ? Or do you just throw in some applications on indeed and then feel sorry for yourself because no one wants to give you a chance (in reality you're probably nothing special/.have nothing to differentiate yourself from the hundreds of other applicants so why should anyone want to pay you much more than minimum wage?)
There was some guy called FoxEye on here with his thread where he had some ambition to earn 50k - quite easily achievable, especially given he'd given himself like 5 years or something to do it - turned out to be just a brief fantasy as he then found every excuse possible to not pursue it and chose instead to; get a cat, stay living at home with his parents and work some basic job for the local council. For so many people their situation in life is completely self inflicted - it's just down to having the agency to get off your own arse and do things. Blaming employers for paying little more than minimum wage for some job is a weak excuse given there are many other jobs out there for people with ambition and skills.
Some people in SC will argue that benefits fraud is a tiny number because that's what the official stats show, yet the reality is that there are plenty of people out there just like you scamming the system.
You didn't answer the question of whether you get PIP too? That's the fashionable one for people to scam these days.
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I wouldn't even apply for that £12.80 and hour PC technician, joke salary. Round it up to £20 and I'll take it.
I bring up I got a company closed down for fraud in my interviews and area managers sacked when it comes to previous employment
that goes down well.Why aren't you blaming abusive and corrupt managers?
Pretty much sums it up.
Would rather sit around moaning about how life is soooooo unfair, rather than actually putting in any effort to better himself.
Extremely common these days.
Loser mentality.
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when robert maxwell pensioners lost their money, it's all their own fault.
Well done for Robert Maxwell for having the power to abuse it.
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Why don't you allow me to be your manager and I'll
a) Physically and mentally abuse you
b) Steal from you
c) When you make a complaint I get you sacked
And remember to blame yourself for your lack of achievement.
I’m not surprised people don’t bother tbh - it’s so ridiculously stacked against young people it’s brutal!
Not everyone is a high flyer, and there are more than enough high flyers to take up all the juicy roles… so it’s bleak for the average bear.
Not everyone is a high flyer, and there are more than enough high flyers to take up all the juicy roles… so it’s bleak for the average bear.
Is it though?
First off I'll say I pretty much only know people in the trades, but have a couple of mates who are office based (for want of a better description) who are on £100K +, but I guess that's far from the norm?
I've seen plenty of motivated kids come into the motor/building trades, knuckle down, learn their craft and are on decent money extremely quickly (when I say decent money I mean £40K upwards, not sure if that decent for most?).
People just seem to give up before they've begun, which is ******* ridiculous.
A mate of mines son started an apprenticeship as a bricky, and excelled so much they put him on full money almost straight away and he's coining it in now.
What happened to the bounce out of bed in the morning and crack on with the day attitude?
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Why should they if they don't want to and can survive without it. The majority know the ladder has been drawn up and they will never get a house for example.
Not everyone wants to be a worker ant in the system making rich people richer.
Roll on UBI I say.
I do agree with this 100%. What's the point of keep making advancements in tech, production etc. if the QoL doesn't improve? Give me Star Trek, or at least a 4 day work week.
As for the younger generation, due to my job I work with a lot of them (I'm a chef, so there's a lot of younger people on the bar or in lower positions in the kitchen). They're either really switched on or complete and utter morons, there doesn't seem to be an in-between.
Automation. The promise of increases in efficiency was to reduce the workload, instead it's just funneled money upwards while people work as much, or more than ever.
Worker productivity has increased 3+ fold in the last 60 years, but it's not the workers seeing the benefit.
I do actually enjoy my job, but it would be lovely to be able to just go **** it and not go in. Or take a month off. Just not viable though.
Not true, it's currently the easiest it's been since the 90s due to the labour shortage, this is due to the decades of new labour telling everyone it was super important to have a degree in anything, to the point where more people started going for degrees and less for real world skills.
As a result today you can finish school/college and walk into any number of apprentices or base level labour jobs with on the job training that will lead to good money.
While getting onto the housing ladder today is worse than it was in the 00s (for good reason, we don't want another 2008) it's extremely overstated how bad it is.
I.E all over social media you can find memes about how Bob bought his house in the 70s for 3.5x his wage and you can't do that today, but the reality is not only can you still do that today but for 3.5x the average wage you will get an even better house than Bob bought in the 70s.
The general issue is that (A) people assume every boomer/Gen-Xer could get a mortgage when in reality lower earners never could.
And (B) they look at the the houses they bought back then and judge them on how they stand today after tens/hundreds of 1000s of investment (accounting for inflation) and think they should be able to buy that with a 3.5x mortgage, instead of judging them on how they stood back then and realising they can buy somethign like that or better today for ~3.5x the avg wage.
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Absolutely correct.
Social media.
It’s misleading to say “it’s easier than ever” to get a good job or buy a house. While there are labour shortages, most are in low-paid sectors and housing affordability is historically worse, not better, than it was for previous generations. Comparing today’s market to the 70s or 90s without accounting for wage stagnation, lending limits and cost of living ignores the real structural challenges facing young people. Not forgetting that the majority of households were single income in the 70s.
As always, the reality lies somewhere in the middle. On the one hand, you have people like the chap in this thread who have fully bought into the 'I'm not going to be a wage slave' narrative. On the other hand, there are young people who work but, without any financial support from their parents, are a decade or more away from being able to buy a property. It's no wonder birth rates are in steep decline when they can be well into their 30s before they have any real financial stability and a mortgage.
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I wouldn't even apply for that £12.80 and hour PC technician, joke salary. Round it up to £20 and I'll take it.
I bring up I got a company closed down for fraud in my interviews and area managers sacked when it comes to previous employment
Why aren't you blaming abusive and corrupt managers?
What relevance do corrupt and abusive managers have here if you're not working - you have no manager so what's the issue? Go find a job with better management.
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No such thing exists.
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