Poll: DIGITAL ID - It's coming *** NO GENERAL POLITICS TALK - ONE AND ONLY WARNING ***

[randomuser69]

Security issues is a huge concern, but what happens when the entire thing gets DDoS'd into oblivion because down because some nefarious actor has unleashed a bot army?

I'm fairly sure a very complex firewall, will be placed infront of said system to detect absolutly all sorts of different things.

Theres already digital ID systems around and systems in place to stop this sort of thing happening.

 

[JonRGV250]

Capita hit with £14m fine for personal data breach in 2023 cyber attack

Hackers stole personal information including pension details and staff records as well as details of customers of organisations Capita supports.

www.the-independent.com

What could possibly go wrong.

 

[randomuser69]

Capita hit with £14m fine for personal data breach in 2023 cyber attack

Hackers stole personal information including pension details and staff records as well as details of customers of organisations Capita supports.

www.the-independent.com

What could possibly go wrong.

You can say this about any system online though. Discord also had a data breach recently with stolen ID records.

 

[PlacidCasual]

Civil servants regularly release private and potentially dangerous information without having access to an everything in one place Digital ID, imagine the Charlie Foxtrot they can achieve once we have a nice Orwellian citizen database.

I trust no Government with the information in one place that this Government wants. Within 10 years we'll end up with councils locking your bank account because you put the wrong bin out.

 

[randomuser69]

Civil servants regularly release private and potentially dangerous information without having access to an everything in one place Digital ID, imagine the Charlie Foxtrot they can achieve once we have a nice Orwellian citizen database.

I trust no Government with the information in one place that this Government wants. Within 10 years we'll end up with councils locking your bank account because you put the wrong bin out.

There's an answer to that - don't put your wrong bin out

 

[Haggisman]

There's an answer to that - don't put your wrong bin out

That's not as easy as it sounds when they don't publish a list of the correct bins to put out, what rubbish can go in each bin, and are free to arbitrarily change the rules whenever they have a financial hole to fill feel like it.

 

[randomuser69]

That's not as easy as it sounds when they don't publish a list of the correct bins to put out, what rubbish can go in each bin, and are free to arbitrarily change the rules whenever they have a financial hole to fill feel like it.

Not sure which council you are talking about here but the council for me publish bin dates and what you can put in them etc etc etc.

 

[JonRGV250]

You can say this about any system online though.

Indeed, that’s the point.

 

[randomuser69]

Indeed, that’s the point.

Then systems need to be developed and secured so that there is no chance a breach can happen.

Plenty sites get attacked every single day but don't get breached.

 

[JonRGV250]

Yes, we know.

 

[p1RATE]

We just need to hope it gets scrapped, when Labour are gone. Which will hopefully be sooner, rather than later.
Chances of that are next to none though. Every government wants this much power. It’s out of the bag now, so probably nothing the people can do.

Exactly. It is human nature to want more control and that's why institutions always have a characteristic of paternalism. The inevitable creep will be unstoppable.

 

[mattyg]

Civil servants regularly release private and potentially dangerous information without having access to an everything in one place Digital ID, imagine the Charlie Foxtrot they can achieve once we have a nice Orwellian citizen database.

I trust no Government with the information in one place that this Government wants. Within 10 years we'll end up with councils locking your bank account because you put the wrong bin out.

Bitcoin, Fixes that

 

[Haggisman]

Not sure which council you are talking about here but the council for me publish bin dates and what you can put in them etc etc etc.

a) You're naively assuming they will keep to their word and collect what they've said they'll collect when they've said they'll collect it.
b) If there's not a fully comprehensive and up to date list of every single item which can and can't be put in each bin, then you're relying on "guidelines", which means they're free to "interpret" those "guidelines" as they see fit.

You'll have to forgive me for being cynical, but until our great and glorious leadership show even the slightest hint of being worthy of trust and respect, they'll be getting none from me.

 

[randomuser69]

a) You're naively assuming they will keep to their word and collect what they've said they'll collect when they've said they'll collect it.

I don't have any problems with bin day. Must be just you.

If there's not a fully comprehensive and up to date list of every single item which can and can't be put in each bin, then you're relying on "guidelines", which means they're free to "interpret" those "guidelines" as they see fit.

There is for my council and it's not guidelines it's a true list on what can and can't be put in. Ofc they can change this list at any point but they not going to close your bank just because you put something wrong in it !

 

[Haggisman]

There is for my council and it's not guidelines it's a true list on what can and can't be put in. Ofc they can change this list at any point but they not going to close your bank just because you put something wrong in it !

No, they'll just hit you with a £300 fine for "fly tipping", and only back down when it blows up on social media

 

[visibleman]

We just need to hope it gets scrapped, when Labour are gone.

Personally i don't think a national ID is a terrible idea in itself, although i'm very much on the fence with Digital ID given all the noise from the PM and MP's and little given on actual specifics, ie - it started off as an ID for Right to Work but now people are suggesting it'll be an everything and anything type of ID...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Security issues is a huge concern, but what happens when the entire thing gets DDoS'd into oblivion because down because some nefarious actor has unleashed a bot army?

This isn't specific to Digital ID and you have the same issue with any other .Gov service or in fact any digital service you use.

Capita hit with £14m fine for personal data breach in 2023 cyber attack

Hackers stole personal information including pension details and staff records as well as details of customers of organisations Capita supports.

www.the-independent.com

What could possibly go wrong.

Other than showing cyber attacks happen, what does this specifically have to do with Digital ID?

Again, we all use various digital Government services yet the vocal few here don't appear to have an issue with those but oddly do with Digital ID when the Government has given us very little of the specifics of the new ID.

 

[Hagar]

Don't put your life online. The numbers still putting complete data on Facebook and Instagram boggles. Personally I don't bank online and I don't post on any social media except here. I use gov.uk for pension but not for tax, I ring HMRC once a year to check interest information otherwise I leave well alone. Anything I can do manually, I do manually.

 

[visibleman]

I use gov.uk for pension but not for tax, I ring HMRC once a year to check interest information otherwise I leave well alone. Anything I can do manually, I do manually.

I understand minimising your digital footprint, especially with socials, but your .Gov data is still digitalised and accessible regardless of what services you currently use or don't use.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

There's an answer to that - don't put your wrong bin out

I think the greater problem is that keeping a perfect track of what everyone is doing and correlating all that data into a single place with strict global ID's allows a kind of selective retroactive search for wrongdoing if the need arises.

The truth is most people are good people who are fine with following rules, but they regularly inadvertently break them. Everyone is OK with this because we're not written up on most of them and the world spins on. But being able to retroactively go back and punish people selectively for this is dangerous because it allows a kind of selective policing.

 

[Bluecube]

Don't put your life online. The numbers still putting complete data on Facebook and Instagram boggles. Personally I don't bank online and I don't post on any social media except here. I use gov.uk for pension but not for tax, I ring HMRC once a year to check interest information otherwise I leave well alone. Anything I can do manually, I do manually.

Not banking online doesn’t mean your bank details aren’t stored digitally. In your example, HMRC has access to how much interest you’ve earned and will be calculating whether you owe tax or not.just because you personally do things manually doesn’t mean others do.