Poll: DIGITAL ID - It's coming *** NO GENERAL POLITICS TALK - ONE AND ONLY WARNING ***

[b0rn2sk8]

Your bank also has all your banking details on their Internet banking servers just in case you want to use Internet banking.

If their server is compromised, your details will still be leaked despite you never using it.

The same applies to government services.

 

[randomuser69]

I think the greater problem is that keeping a perfect track of what everyone is doing and correlating all that data into a single place with strict global ID's allows a kind of selective retroactive search for wrongdoing if the need arises.

The truth is most people are good people who are fine with following rules, but they regularly inadvertently break them. Everyone is OK with this because we're not written up on most of them and the world spins on. But being able to retroactively go back and punish people selectively for this is dangerous because it allows a kind of selective policing.

Who says people will be punished though? Is there any evidence that this is what it's been built for ?

Many people are just assuming the worst.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

Who says people will be punished though? Is there any evidence that this is what it's been built for ?

Many people are just assuming the worst.

Who knows why it's being built, the official reason with immigration and work ID is total nonsense, employers already need proof people have a right to work in the UK via IDs. We know that's a bold faced lie on Starmers part.

But it's irrelevant, if it can be used for bad things like 2 tier justice then it will be. We'd be stupid to trust this will be rolled out and then never abused. Anything rolled out like this will be almost impossible to remove later on if it's abused.

 

[randomuser69]

But it's irrelevant, if it can be used for bad things like 2 tier justice then it will be. We'd be stupid to trust this will be rolled out and then never abused. Anything rolled out like this will be almost impossible to remove later on if it's abused.

In that case you can say that about any platform then. We best all stop using the internet right now.

 

[Bluecube]

Is there any evidence of ID cards being abused by countries that already have them?

 

[Fubsy]

Who says people will be punished though? Is there any evidence that this is what it's been built for ?

Many people are just assuming the worst.

Is there any evidence of ID cards being abused by countries that already have them?

No evidence, yet.

Giving them the "keys" to this dystopian future that people can see is something you cannot stop them using once given away.

Are things really so bad now that you want to gamble that it won't be abused?

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

 

[randomuser69]

Are things really so bad now that you want to gamble that it won't be abused?

What's the difference now?

 

[Fubsy]

In that case you can say that about any platform then. We best all stop using the internet right now.

Certainly.

Or

You stop using it with your real name and do everything you possibly can to make anything you do online disconnected, so in effect each action cannot be linked to another to show behaviour or prove identity.

Nobody has time for that. Everyone trades their information for convenience, cat videos and dopamine chasing social interaction.

Remember when everyone was banging on about how Facebook was overvalued because they weren't making money? Not any more. The code has been cracked.

People have to start switching on and understand what they are actually doing online. What they give up and actually start caring.

There are people, far too many people, that think it's ok to stick pictures of their kids on the internet. Obviously they don't think there's anything wrong with that as they see the internet and tech as benevolent. Well they are, until they are not or until someone abuses that trust. Don't give them the chance in the first place FFS.

 

[Fubsy]

What's the difference now?

The difference now is that it's not easy for it all to be linked up. It would be resource intensive, complex and be open to civil frustration.

Once it's all linked together, it becomes trivial, even passive.

The power balance of our information and how it can be used will be heavily tipped in the direction of the state. How that cannot be seen is scary to me.

 

[randomuser69]

The difference now is that it's not easy for it all to be linked up. It would be resource intensive, complex and be open to civil frustration.

It kind of is all linked up though. When you apply for something you are asked a set of questions.

Once that form is complete there is a profile about you as a person on everything.

The digital id is just a button away I guess but it's still just accessing data more speedy and correctly with no room for human errors.

 

[Hagar]

I understand minimising your digital footprint, especially with socials, but your .Gov data is still digitalised and accessible regardless of what services you currently use or don't use.

Not banking online doesn’t mean your bank details aren’t stored digitally. In your example, HMRC has access to how much interest you’ve earned and will be calculating whether you owe tax or not.just because you personally do things manually doesn’t mean others do.

I also use chip and pin. All my ISA and normal savings are on passbook accounts.

Not making it impossible just harder.

 

[Fubsy]

There's an answer to that - don't put your wrong bin out

There's an answer to that - don't *insert any state mandated rule here*

Once implemented, this style of governing and control through coercion, will seem good at first, but can easily be used in a boiling of the frog method.

Ha, I should add, I say all this because if was in charge of the country and I wanted to keep power and control the population to keep order this is exactly what I'd do so don't vote for me.

 

[randomuser69]

There's an answer to that - don't *insert any state mandated rule here*

Once implemented, this style of governing and control through coercion, will seem good at first, but can easily be used in a boiling of the frog method.

Ha, I should add, I say all this because if was in charge of the country and I wanted to keep power and control the population to keep order this is exactly what I'd do so don't vote for me.

You realise people are already controlled right?

 

[Fubsy]

It kind of is all linked up though. When you apply for something you are asked a set of questions.

Once that form is complete there is a profile about you as a person on everything.

The digital id is just a button away I guess but it's still just accessing data more speedy and correctly with no room for human errors.

Yes. However, you only describe the "good" and "convenience" aspect of it. The convenience can work both ways, for good and for bad depending on intention of use.

I'm arguing that the inconvenience currently is actually something we should be keeping and cherishing from a privacy and security aspect.

We cannot get that back once given away. It will also be very likely that AI will be involved at some point in the future, and who knows where that will lead if it has access to this information and the ability to make decisions based off it.

A fight for this now will be easier than a fight in the future. Meh, I don't have kids and I don't plan to have any, so yea, I really don't care how things turn out, but I despair nonetheless.

 

[mattyg]

You realise people are already controlled right?

Yep, I've been controlled since i got my first bill gates jab,, Oh hang on, nope and I've not been deaded by it either.

I can see why some people jump to the but CHINA argument. But were NOT China.

I have no issues with the DigitalID, I've issues with the security behind it. But i've got bigger worries about hackers turning off the internet or crashing all the Chinese EV's

 

[randomuser69]

There's good and bad in everything though no matter what it is. It's not going to change and things will always be abused anyway.

People can fight for it but I don't actually think it makes a difference any more, they going to do what they want to do.

 

[Fubsy]

You realise people are already controlled right?

To a certain extent, license for this, license for that, have to work to pay bills etc, obey laws, restriction of harmful products, content etc..

All of that is because we keep allowing it. We vote it in, agree, go along, or we are passive and just let it happen. The OSA is a joke, but it just seemed to happen without much push back.

 

[Rroff]

I can see why some people jump to the but CHINA argument. But were NOT China.

We don't have to be China for it to be a problem towards similar lines and part of the reason we aren't China is because traditionally things like this would have gone down like a lead balloon...

 

[randomuser69]

To a certain extent, license for this, license for that, have to work to pay bills etc, obey laws, restriction of harmful products, content etc..

All of that is because we keep allowing it. We vote it in, agree, go along, or we are passive and just let it happen. The OSA is a joke, but it just seemed to happen without much push back.

Nobody is going to change it though are they really? In reality you know the answer to this.

Gov is going to do what it's going to do.

 

[Fubsy]

I also use chip and pin. All my ISA and normal savings are on passbook accounts.

Not making it impossible just harder.

I have family members that do this.

However, I'm a menace to myself. Barely use cash. Never carry a card. Everything done on phone and watch via NFC.

I find the ease of managing my finance through apps and the automation I can put in place massively overcomes my concerns around privacy and security.

However, this is done on the basis of understanding that there is limit on how far my information is used currently. If that were to change, then I'd look to change my behaviour.