Poll: DIGITAL ID - It's coming *** NO GENERAL POLITICS TALK - ONE AND ONLY WARNING ***

Are you for or against the new Digital ID


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Nobody is going to change it though are they really? In reality you know the answer to this.

Gov is going to do what it's going to do.

This is what they are counting on ultimately.

We now have a government that doesn't need to win an argument or bring the public with them apparently.

Pathetic really when there are millions of citizens and only hundreds of MPs.

Edit: starting into politics. Won't go further. Sorry mods.
 
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This is what they are counting on ultimately.

We now have a government that doesn't need to win an argument or bring the public with them apparently.

Pathetic really when there are millions of citizens and only hundreds of MPs.

Hierarchy of the world. Minion's don't matter. We are all just numbers in reality.

I already use digital ID and have done for at least 5 years now, difference is this system (afaik) doesn't tie in with other bits of data it's just simply proof of age.

it is scary to think what could happen with digital id. It will happen one day and nobody on this forum is going to change that.
 
No evidence, yet.

Giving them the "keys" to this dystopian future that people can see is something you cannot stop them using once given away.

Are things really so bad now that you want to gamble that it won't be abused?

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"
No evidence yet, you say. Yet many countries have had ID cards for decades. If they were problematic then we’d know by now. Having an ID card isn’t an issue as we already have an ID assigned to us in the form of a national insurance number. That horse has long since bolted… What we do need to ensure is that we have access to all our data and can see who is using/ accessing it.
 
No evidence yet, you say. Yet many countries have had ID cards for decades. If they were problematic then we’d know by now. Having an ID card isn’t an issue as we already have an ID assigned to us in the form of a national insurance number. That horse has long since bolted… What we do need to ensure is that we have access to all our data and can see who is using/ accessing it.

Digital ID ≠ ID Card. The conflating of the two causes conflicts of understanding.

An ID card can/is limited in what it identifies - a digital ID, in the form the UK government is making noises about and has long been a ambition of Labour governments, is not an ID in the sense that a passport or driving license is (say for a singular or limited purpose that is optional or only required for certain activities), but a rollup of ALL the digital information they have on you currently and could then add to in future due to the "well, why not use the Digital ID for this?", before long it's used for everything and captures everything to the point your digital identity is then tied to your physical identity.

It's more akin to ditigal DNA than a 'card'.

Edit: and again, when/if eveidence comes about that this type of ID can be abused, would you rather be in a postion we are in now where it isn't a thing, or at the mercy of the government of the day on how they proceed?

If you don't understand what you are giving away, then you shouldn't be giving it away on behalf of others.
 
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Except there is no evidence it is a roll up of all the information they hold on you.

That’s is nothing but blue sky thinking by commentators at this point.

The irony is they don’t even need the digital ID to do that anyway. Given almost everything is already digitised, it could happen tomorrow if they really wanted to.
 
Except there is no evidence it is a roll up of all the information they hold on you.

Even if there is no evidence for something that hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it won't happen. Probabilty, pattern recognition, direction of travel all tell us it won't stop at "only needed to work" for long.

That’s is nothing but blue sky thinking by commentators at this point.

Indeed, and you can dismiss them all you like. I'd like to think I go into this future with mys eyes open and ears sharp rather than blithely dance into the darkness to the sound of merry tunes and the smell of freshly baked bread thinking everything will be fine because I can't see the future and the state will always have MY best interests in mind. I'm wary, that is all. Survival instinct if you will, based on what I've read and learnt about how humans have acted in the past across all cultures and ideologies.

The irony is they don’t even need the digital ID to do that anyway. Given almost everything is already digitised, it could happen tomorrow if they really wanted to.

There are saying that they really want to do it. By 2029. End of parliament = no say for the public. They didn't have this in their manifesto, they have no madate for it. They should be blocked by any means necessary unless they hold it to a PUBLIC vote after extensive campaigning and education on the matter from both sides of the argument. At that point, when people have been given the opportunity to weigh it all up, have a referendum.

Pfft, well alternative is they put this in place, Reform come to power, then I suppose they can do what the hell they want with it then for at least 5 years with no public say. Scary stuff.
 
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Even if there is no evidence for something that hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it won't happen. Probabilty, pattern recognition, direction of travel all tell us it won't stop at "only needed to work" for long.

You’re right, the system is likely to be used for interacting with government services. However that doesn’t really change anything as they already have your ID on every single system they have because they won’t give you anything unless they know who you are as has always been the case.

This isn’t a particular concern.

Indeed, and you can dismiss them all you like. I'd like to think I go into this future with mys eyes open and ears sharp rather than blithely dance into the darkness to the sound of merry tunes and the smell of freshly baked bread thinking everything will be fine because I can't see the future and the state will always have MY best interests in mind. I'm wary, that is all. Survival instinct if you will, based on what I've read and learnt about how humans have acted in the past across all cultures and ideologies.

I’ve not dismissed it out of turn, my eyes are very open. This objectively isn’t a roll up of all the data the government has on you.

Like I said, the government could do that without digital ID already. They can’t because it would breach the laws they themselves have put in place like GDPR and the HRA.

It really doesn’t matter if digital ID is added to one of the methodologies for logging into your DVLA details, it’s just a means to an end just like you can use your passport to access your HMRC details.

It doesn’t mean the DVLA, Home Office and HMRC information is being rolled into a single place.

There are saying that they really want to do it. By 2029. End of parliament = no say for the public. They didn't have this in their manifesto, they have no madate for it. They should be blocked by any means necessary unless they hold it to a PUBLIC vote after extensive campaigning and education on the matter from both sides of the argument. At that point, when people have been given the opportunity to weigh it all up, have a referendum.

That’s not how democracy works in the country (or hardly any country). Hardly anything governments do are in their manifestos.

The prior two prime ministers were not even leaders of the party during a successful election campaign.

The irony here is polling suggested 60% of people supported digital ID just weeks before the government announced it as a policy. That’s a bigger mandate than Brexit and Pretty much every general election ever held.

No political party has even obtained 50% of the vote in my entire lifetime. By that logic, no one has ever had a mandate for anything.

The double irony, the Swiss, who are one of the few direct democracies, just voted to implement a similar measure.

Pfft, well alternative is they put this in place, Reform come to power, then I suppose they can do what the hell they want with it then for at least 5 years with no public say. Scary stuff.
Reform could implement it and do what they wanted with it anyway, it changes nothing.
 
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@randomuser69 It's a shame this forum doesn't have access to your digital ID, it'd be great to know which returnee you are?

You don't need access to digital ID to match up old users ;). You already know this information assuming a few things behind the scenes.

Who says I'm a returnee ? (Be careful, no doxxing now....) Maybe OCUK may implement such features in the future. :cry:
 
If governments see a marginal advantage at a justifiable cost to do such a thing, they will do such a thing. If additional 'benefits' are identified along the way they will get added along the way.

Such a pity I don't own a suitable phone to take advantage.
 
No evidence, yet.

Giving them the "keys" to this dystopian future that people can see is something you cannot stop them using once given away.

Are things really so bad now that you want to gamble that it won't be abused?

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

China.

I mean we already have police raiding people homes over social media posts and looking through their shelves and finding books by people like Douglas Murray and it being called "this is a bit brexity", imagine if that bookshelf is every single dimension of your life going back 20 years or something.

You're out of your mind if you trust government and police with essentially a record of your entire life they can instantly search. If you think you're a good boy, you're not, people unintentionally breaks laws or bylaws all the time.
 
China.

I mean we already have police raiding people homes over social media posts and looking through their shelves and finding books by people like Douglas Murray and it being called "this is a bit brexity", imagine if that bookshelf is every single dimension of your life going back 20 years or something.

You're out of your mind if you trust government and police with essentially a record of your entire life they can instantly search. If you think you're a good boy, you're not, people unintentionally breaks laws or bylaws all the time.

Yep it could be building up "evidence" they can use against someone at any time in the future.

People in Europe have caught for 100s of years for freedoms which are now being slowly chipped away.

What Id be looking at (and probably others) is how we can create a fake digital ID.
 
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What Id be looking at (and probably others) is how we can create a fake digital ID.

I would think on the lines of what verification will be needed to initially get the digital id set up in the first place. If it's things like passport, address evidence, bills evidence national insurance number e.t.c then you would need to fake the initial evidence first.
 
I would think on the lines of what verification will be needed to initially get the digital id set up in the first place. If it's things like passport, address evidence, bills evidence national insurance number e.t.c then you would need to fake the initial evidence first.

Pretty sure chatGPT can whip something up :D
 
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