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Deadlifts are one of the best exercises out there. It's a very cross-functional lift. Stability, core engagement, large compound muscle groups, grip strength, highly metabolic, and had a huge carry over in multiple disciplines. Great for developing power and speed.
 
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Watching clips back I can see my upper back looks like it has a slight arch but it's about as flat as it can go currently and my core/glutes/lats are engaged as well, different people will have different mileage I guess, my leg and arm length combo mean I do need a wider footing which makes the lift more comfortable.
If you see your second rep, your lower back rounds as you lift because your hips and glutes are not as engaged as the first rep. If you bring your hips slightly lower just before you lift, you will be able to engage the glutes a bit more and feel tighter at the hinge.

Upper back arch is not as much of a problem, the natural course of the spine is to have a bit of thoracic kyphosis anyway. But lower back arching can lead to injuries when the weight gets heavier.

I would advise conventional stance deadlift. Its not meant to feel comfortable just before you lift, it should feel like everything is compacted tight, with engaged lats, like a spring waiting to explode up, pushing the earth away with your legs. You might not be able to lift as much, but thats okay. Develop this movement and you will see massive posterior chain gainz.

For me, deadlift is no2 full body compound lift second only to a full range back squat. But it carries more risk than any other movement imo. This is why you should be mentally ready to engage the required muscles when deadlifting - a lack of concentration or preparation could mean a slipped disc, torn bicep, etc.

Deadlift often cited as the most unnecessary movement in body building due to this risk, but for building strength and promoting GH/test production I think its great.
 
I see what you mean, like keeping a bowl of water inside the belly level so lower the hips a bit more to regain that level, both of those lifts felt the same however although maybe because it was halfway through a 2 hour climbing session so already feeling the arm pump from the walls.

It's a night and day difference in feel and form though from when I first started and feeling the benefits in just daily activities has been a huge boost in focus too.
 
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So a clean 100KG 5 reps was easy today so just ended up seeing what 110 felt like and did 2 reps OK and without any adverse pressure felt anywhere during slow test runs. This is my current progression I think for the next few weeks before aiming for 120.

Hybrid stance is what definitely feels strongest for me, standard just feels wrong and I can't get the power out probably because of my specific arms/legs combo.

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Ending each deadlift session with a long dead hang to decompress.

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The day after now I am feeling most of my posterior chain burning which feels great after lifting heavier than before, it's amazing how much this one exercise works the body and all from just a few reps vs big reps and sets from other isolated exercises, effectively a full body workout but also one of the hardest but quickest to see results from.

I will just focus on this, barbell squats and my Calisthenics as DL benefits feel directly transferable to everything else now with the amount of force being able to pull every few weeks. I've been trying to nail a strict/clean muscle up for a while and think DL will indirectly give a big boost to be able to do that soon thanks to the strength it seems to be developing. I don't want to use bands or kipping to get to a muscle up as that will develop habits that I would need to iron out later, would rather brute force a muscle up with power and keep it strict/clean.
 
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I've been really enjoying getting into deadlifts and have felt my back feels much better on a daily basis even though I deadlift once or twice a week only, my total time spent has been about a month of deadlift time. I began at 60KG at my original starting body weight of 59.5KG and was able to do at least 5 reps of that to now able to to at least 5 reps with 90KG easily.

Going by a few sources (example) someone at 60KG bodyweight should be able to do 114KG in the intermediate skill column, but I will try 105KG next to see how that goes first to avoid potential injuries. Seems I am slotting in to what is the expectation although I can deadlift much more for a 1 rep max, though the last time I tried that with 100KG before this recent round of consistent DL training I could feel my lower back stressing a bit too much for comfort so left that to one side and just worked on lighter progressions lol.

At a bodyweight now of 62KG I'm still below my goal weight but that too is getting there steadily so progress is being made I think.

Was at the climbing centre yesterday and they have a new workout area so did a few reps in-between climbs :D


Watching clips back I can see my upper back looks like it has a slight arch but it's about as flat as it can go currently and my core/glutes/lats are engaged as well, different people will have different mileage I guess, my leg and arm length combo mean I do need a wider footing which makes the lift more comfortable.

Just watched this back...

First things first, your deadlift stance is your business. I personally go for "traditional" but that is what I am comfortable with; I have tried sumo but am too much of a creature of habit. Plus there is zero carryover for my weightlifting aspirations. What you do is down to you... there may be more efficient ways but they will require retraining/discomfort and - if youre not training for a related athletic goal, it is largely irrelevant (unless you want Internet kudos).

As to the reps themselves, yes you have upper back rounding and yes you can do something about it (probably the best use of a foam roller, actually: to "drape" your upper back over it and slowly relax). However, a lot of people do.have upper back rounding and do not explode, so your mileage may vary (but if you can get a flat back you will waste less energy in trying to prevent your spine from flexing mid lift, but whatever).

The key thing with your lift is it looks like you aren't putting the weight through your heels (you straighten your legs before the bar comes up fully). This could be a hip flexion/hinging issue which might also be impacting your upper back, and why you feel more comfortable with your knees taking more of the bend (and then why your weight is not on your heels).

If that resonates, have a look at the wall test for hip hinge-ing and see how you get on.

As to your target weight, being strong never hurt anybody. ;)
 
Just watched this back...

First things first, your deadlift stance is your business. I personally go for "traditional" but that is what I am comfortable with; I have tried sumo but am too much of a creature of habit. Plus there is zero carryover for my weightlifting aspirations. What you do is down to you... there may be more efficient ways but they will require retraining/discomfort and - if youre not training for a related athletic goal, it is largely irrelevant (unless you want Internet kudos).

As to the reps themselves, yes you have upper back rounding and yes you can do something about it (probably the best use of a foam roller, actually: to "drape" your upper back over it and slowly relax). However, a lot of people do.have upper back rounding and do not explode, so your mileage may vary (but if you can get a flat back you will waste less energy in trying to prevent your spine from flexing mid lift, but whatever).

The key thing with your lift is it looks like you aren't putting the weight through your heels (you straighten your legs before the bar comes up fully). This could be a hip flexion/hinging issue which might also be impacting your upper back, and why you feel more comfortable with your knees taking more of the bend (and then why your weight is not on your heels).

If that resonates, have a look at the wall test for hip hinge-ing and see how you get on.

As to your target weight, being strong never hurt anybody. ;)

Thanks! Comparing the earlier clip to the latest one I can see what you mean, in the latest GIF above the lift + my legs are almost 1:1 in movement and everything looks more in alignment here. I would say the earlier clip shows that because that lift was done midway through bouldering so was already fatigued and I think subconsciously the knees just took over a portion of the early lift whereas I definitely felt much cleaner in the latest clip and that was 20KG heavier just not even a week later.

I'm looking back at form when recording now too more often or using the mirror from various angles to check things look ok for the most part.
 
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I was curious to my calorific intake as I haven't really ever monitored properly, I sort of ate/eat as I feel, and recently (well past few months, my appetite has really grown significantly. That's mainly because the average BJJ/Striking session uses anything between 700-1000+ calories (if you trust those polar HRMs - seems to be relatively accurate to be honest), and my average gym session is around 350-400 or so. Since I'm not bothered about being super lean (although at c. 14-15% I'm not complaining especially as I'm nearer 50 than 40 now :o ), I tend to eat a lot. However, I've seriously reduced/cut out UPF (although impossible to cut out completely and I can't be bothered too), and don't really have a sweet tooth, so I've just been eating mainly whole foods. I tend to have 4 large meals a day, with maybe a little snack (mainly fruits and nuts) between.

Anyway it seems that instinctively have been hitting my calories pretty well, I'm on around 3600 cals per day at the moment which is helping me maintain 96kg ish (I need to stay in the weight bracket of 94-100.5kg). I probably want another kg or two, but slowly getting back into some larger volume workouts, with strength and conditioning being my main focus.

It's amazing after over 25 years of lifting and learning about nutrition it's remarkable how instinctively you end up eating just what your body needs - ok I'm atypical as I understand metabolism and nutrition more than the average person, but it just proves if you arm yourself with some good information and live your life around it you can achieve some amazing results.

Although I'm one of the older people in my MMA club, I'm certainly punching way above my weight (excuse the pun), certainly my podium finishes seem to concur, but also I have 30 year olds expressing their surprise (not really admiration as such) at my ability to be so active and tough despite my age. Dad / old man strength and grit plays a lot into it too! ha! :D

Now this has been nearly 3 decades of work, learning and practice, I know those that have met me realise I'm not full of poo (I hope!), but it really does prove this is a long term game and you just have to keep at it. When I had my kids, I had pretty much "given up" on decent physique and I look back at photos and whilst still in shape, I was less lean, softer, and certainly less solid. After getting over a bout of mental health ****tiness I bounced back (mainly after lockdown, god that was awful and destructive) got back into MMA but really took S&C seriously again which honestly both physically and mentally have brought me back from the brink. I often am not in the mood, and I sometimes don't even progressively overload and just do an "easy" workout, or just kick the **** out of my punch bag, but it's better than nothing. Now that I take BJJ/MMA a bit more seriously it's driving my decision to train harder again, certainly for a older gent, but longevity too, my cardio is now remarkably better than it was, I'm more flexible, yet still deceivingly strong. Sure my powerlifting lifts are now ******* but I'm not training for that, and my training is very much functional / useful - hence things like Zercher squats, and DBSS and glute bridges etc...

I guess what I'm saying is, don't focus on today, or tomorrow's goals, even worry about your weekly / monthly, consistency over years is more important. However I concur consistent rubbish isn't going to help anyone but you have to be honest with yourself to whether or not you're REALLY trying or not. If you're not breathing hard or swearing mildly during a workout you're not trying hard enough. If you're snacking on crap food, you're not trying hard enough. I realised I was making excuses a lot rather than actually pushing myself (I'm not suggesting anyone here is, this is more of a self reflection).

Having a goal to aim for I think has been key, mine has been to make sure I'm fit and healthy for my kids (being an older parent) so that I can look after them and enjoy activities together for as long as I can. I had that moment of clarity one day when I realised that I'm not far off having teenage kids, and I want to be able to be active with them and them be able to rely on me, and for that I need to be fit and healthy and around to do that. It's one hell of a motivator.

What's your weekly agenda like? Juggling childcare, work and workouts is hard work - but you can make it work, it just requires some sacrifices here and there, maybe some compromises elswhere, but also some grit and determination too. Happy to have a chat (offline) or whenever (meet up for a coffee again!) if you want :)

Now signing up for a comp is HUGE!! :cool: That's one hell of a motivator and thing to aim for! Well done mate - if you want a fanboy to come and whoop for you let me know!

Sorry man. I read this at the time and because there was so much of it to read and digest, I just put off replying! So in lieu of a proper response to all of that, I just wanted to acknowledge it.

Instinctive eating for me means being full all the time! I'm so impressed by people who've got a lid on it. I also can't believe you're doing MMA at your age. I swear I slipped a disk trying to get back into judo a couple of years ago.

The way I manage working out at the moment is Monday mornings before work, and then Wednesday and Friday lunch times. Ideally, I'd do another workout over the weekend but I'm juggling my thesis at the moment, so I think the fourth workout will have to wait. I just don't want to add pressure to my wife who looks after our daughter basically 24/7.

It'd be great to see you again. Bit lame, but the new year some time would be great! This thesis is sucking up all my free time.

And thanks - can't wait for the comp. It's just a qualifier at this stage but I'm hoping it'll be good. I'm shooting for a 100 kg bench, and maybe 150 kg deadlift, and something near that squat. Not big numbers, but progress for me.
 
Watching clips back I can see my upper back looks like it has a slight arch but it's about as flat as it can go currently and my core/glutes/lats are engaged as well, different people will have different mileage I guess, my leg and arm length combo mean I do need a wider footing which makes the lift more comfortable.

That's a sumo deadlift. Your back doesn't actually have to be entirely flat. It's much more important that you're bracing properly. I happened to see this video on bracing last night and found it incredibly helpful.

 
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People been following the down fall of Mike Israetel?

Basically Solomon Nelson and Lyle McDonald reviewed Mike's PHD and found it to be a total sham and now everyone is chipping in.

 
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Why do people like to **** all over anyone successful? I get that there were major issues with his PHD, but he also provides a huge amount of very useful content.

Edit: maybe it's karma...
 
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People been following the down fall of Mike Israetel?

Basically Solomon Nelson and Lyle McDonald reviewed Mike's PHD and found it to be a total sham and now everyone is chipping in.

I thought you have to submit the PhD to university assessors who then have to read it and then you have to go before them and be questioned/defend your PhD with them?

It sounds like nobody read his thesis - not only the assessors didnt read it, he himself didnt read it.

In any case some of his videos are good. Im not sure about his training style though, and hes a bit deluded (he thinks he looks better than Mike Mentzer lol).
 
Why do people like to **** all over anyone successful? I get that there were major issues with his PHD, but he also provides a huge amount of very useful content.

Edit: maybe it's karma...

It's because there has been some beef between Lyle McDonald and Mike.

It started years ago but finally came to ahead over something to do with training to failure and Lyle said to Mike you have no clue what training to failure is and since then there has been a back and forth culminating with Lyle and this Solomon guy reviewing his thesis and exposing it to be a bag of tripe.

Lyle for a while now has had a code you can use on his website to purchase stuff called mikehasnotan in reference to Mike's recent body building competition which he got ridiculed for as well.

I think Mike was trying to blame it on he's tan.
 
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Sorry man. I read this at the time and because there was so much of it to read and digest, I just put off replying! So in lieu of a proper response to all of that, I just wanted to acknowledge it.

Instinctive eating for me means being full all the time! I'm so impressed by people who've got a lid on it. I also can't believe you're doing MMA at your age. I swear I slipped a disk trying to get back into judo a couple of years ago.

The way I manage working out at the moment is Monday mornings before work, and then Wednesday and Friday lunch times. Ideally, I'd do another workout over the weekend but I'm juggling my thesis at the moment, so I think the fourth workout will have to wait. I just don't want to add pressure to my wife who looks after our daughter basically 24/7.

It'd be great to see you again. Bit lame, but the new year some time would be great! This thesis is sucking up all my free time.

And thanks - can't wait for the comp. It's just a qualifier at this stage but I'm hoping it'll be good. I'm shooting for a 100 kg bench, and maybe 150 kg deadlift, and something near that squat. Not big numbers, but progress for me.

Yeah new year would be great!

Sorry about the wall of text I kinda had a bit of a brain dump rather than be it specifically aimed at you! :)

I'm in constant pain, but I also love the sport so much, I wish I had started earlier, I think I found something that I'm pretty good at and that seems to align with my physicality fairly well.

The reason why diet has become so instinctive for me is decades of habit forming, I think I was also lucky to have been brought up in an environment where food was a core thing.

I leave the house at 545am for training some days, it's tough, especially in winter, but it makes it worth it when I get the results. It's hard to balance work life, studying, being a father, being a friend, being a husband! It's tough.

You've got to fit it in when you can, to be honest, doing something even if it's not the best is better than doing nothing. Having a target to aim for helps with the motivation. :)
 
People been following the down fall of Mike Israetel?

Basically Solomon Nelson and Lyle McDonald reviewed Mike's PHD and found it to be a total sham and now everyone is chipping in.


I don't particularly care for him, but his humour and style is not to my liking. I'm sure his PhD is legit but most of these influencers just rehash existing knowledge, with very little "new" knowledge being added on, other than an app or a training programme they want to bolt on.

For 99% of people, turning up the gym and lifting some weights with a bit of progressive overload will do wonders. Getting stuck? Change the exercise types, from large compounds to single leg, to DBs instead of BB, and so on.

People like to overcomplicate things. The hardest thing to do is showing up. The second hardest is pushing yourself hard enough. Then on top of that diet and lifestyle is the crux of it all, if you want to keep living the highlife without sacrifice you're chasing a fantasy.
 
Hi I’m currently doing StrongLifts 5x5 intermediates.

It’s a 3 workout split as follows:

A:
Squats 5x5
Bench 5x5
Rows 5x5
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B:
Deadlifts 5x5
Incline Bench 5x8
Bench feet up (?) 5x8
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C: (weights are ~15% lighter than A/B)
Pause squats 5x3
Pause bench 5x3
Pause deadlifts 2x3
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I like the program but workout B annoys me a bit. Bench feet up seems a bit pointless.

I was thinking of swapping the incline bench and bench feet up with some dumbbell exercises because all of my exercises are barbell.

I was thinking of replacing Incline with seated DB overhead press. And replacing bench feet up with DB bench press.

What do people think? I like that I’m pressing a lot as my pressing is definitely disproportionately weak compared to my squat and deadlift.
 
Hi I’m currently doing StrongLifts 5x5 intermediates.

It’s a 3 workout split as follows:

A:
Squats 5x5
Bench 5x5
Rows 5x5
+accessories

B:
Deadlifts 5x5
Incline Bench 5x8
Bench feet up (?) 5x8
+accessories

C: (weights are ~15% lighter than A/B)
Pause squats 5x3
Pause bench 5x3
Pause deadlifts 2x3
+accessories

I like the program but workout B annoys me a bit. Bench feet up seems a bit pointless.

I was thinking of swapping the incline bench and bench feet up with some dumbbell exercises because all of my exercises are barbell.

I was thinking of replacing Incline with seated DB overhead press. And replacing bench feet up with DB bench press.

What do people think? I like that I’m pressing a lot as my pressing is definitely disproportionately weak compared to my squat and deadlift.
Incline bench is good already. Just use dumbells. As to the "fleet up" bench, swap it for weighted pushups or strict DB press.
 
There are much easier/better/safer ways of working your core than feet-up bench... :eek:

Single handed farmers carries
KB around the body kneeling.
KB Marches

You need rotational effect to really have a strong impact on your core. 3 planes of motion for your core, all 3 need to be taxed. so anything that forces your body to counter act rotation is absolutely critical.
 
Single handed farmers carries
KB around the body kneeling.
KB Marches

You need rotational effect to really have a strong impact on your core. 3 planes of motion for your core, all 3 need to be taxed. so anything that forces your body to counter act rotation is absolutely critical.
One of the accessories I do is pallof press. And it feels great. Anti rotational as you say.
 
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