Poll: DIGITAL ID - It's coming *** NO GENERAL POLITICS TALK - ONE AND ONLY WARNING ***
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During a house move a number of years ago I was selling the property to a relocation company and a piece of the documentation had to be officially witnessed so I ended up going to a solicitors (not mine) for them to act as a notary to a document after I'd proved my identity. Which sounds like something similar.
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Is that one of the "big wins" for digital ID?
I have been through 2 house buys/sales and never thought "oh if only there was a digital ID to save all this money and time"... Maybe I did it all wrong.
I have been through 2 house buys/sales and never thought "oh if only there was a digital ID to save all this money and time"... Maybe I did it all wrong.
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Just seen his "rummaging around for a paper bill" post...
That's enough posting today please Kier...
That's enough posting today please Kier...
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I don't use X/Twitter so can't see the comments, but I'm enjoying the user-added context notes on some of his posts
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I mean they are bulldozing this one.
Tweet after tweet showing naff examples of how it’s a game changer for day to day life…
It’s comedy level stuff.
Game changer for day to day life is getting a grip of cost of living, amongst other issues.
I don’t really consider “rummaging around a drawer” for a “paper electricity bill” a day to day worry, I consider the cost of the electricity bill to be more important.
Labour clearly think different
Tweet after tweet showing naff examples of how it’s a game changer for day to day life…
It’s comedy level stuff.
Game changer for day to day life is getting a grip of cost of living, amongst other issues.
I don’t really consider “rummaging around a drawer” for a “paper electricity bill” a day to day worry, I consider the cost of the electricity bill to be more important.
Labour clearly think different
What’s happening isn't just just some social blunders, it's message testing. Each tweet is a trial balloon to see what wording or framing people tolerate. The ones that people don’t push back on or spark outrage get repeated and dressed up as public sentiment.
It’s textbook Overton window shifting. You push an unpopular idea a little at a time until it stops sounding wild and starts feeling normal. Engineering consensus as a way to make the idea feel inevitable over time. What you are seeing is the manufacturing of messaging to influence the public on a hugely unpopular idea.
They’re not really trying to win an argument, they’re shaping the mood so by the time it’s official policy, it already feels like the obvious next step.
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i'll say it again; trying to force this crap on people for no reason is bad enough - trying to do it when the company involved is run by a crony friend and his family who are invested and are going to line their pockets off it needs to be seriously investigated.
Hi, mate not spoken since I got booted.
I agree with your comments above. Only a 2g phone as well.
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The messaging is all over the place now and perhaps you're right in that their testing the waters to see what we're willing to and not to accept with Digital ID. And i'm not entirely against a national ID if it's along the lines of what other countries have implemented but i'm getting more and more confused as the days go on the exact what's, how's and why's of it all.
They've made it clear it on a number of occasions Digital ID won't be mandated, which makes it a bit pointless in my eyes but there we are.
Which company is this and who are these "crony friend and his family"?
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Other than if you want to get a job, in which case it will be mandatory and your current documentation (passport, driving licence, birth certificate, NI card) will not be accepted. I also saw something somewhere (I think it was a radio interview) where Starmer stated anyone refusing the ID would have to pay £85 every time they needed to prove their right to work in the UK.
It's also fairly likely that other things will eventually be mandatory and require this digital ID, though that is just speculation at the moment.
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if you bought homes like you bought groceries and were an MP this would save you many thousands of pounds,. why you complaining peasant?
sorry channelling my keir starmer
starmer thinks soundbites are pearls of wisdom, its funny the AI said most places wont charge for ID checks
your going to need all those documents on the left when your phone gets stolen.
a country with rampant mobile phone thefts changing to digital ID that relies on a phone, would could go wrong.
for one it doesnt need to be an APP it could be a QR code linked to your passport and NI/immigration status or something.....only reason they want it on our phone is so they can harvest data from your phone
same as 99% of apps are just a portal to a website basically... theres no need for most apps to be an app, they are just bookmarks that can harvest data from your phone.
the only reason for digital ID is too fast track people into british citizenship and make it easier for them to prover they are eligible to work.
someone probably told starmer most the illegals we gifted citizenship don't work because its too hard for them to prove their status
the gov is literally clutching at straws trying to find any single benefit for digtal ID it can, and the best they can come up with is "you can save 20£ when buying a house"
like we going to do that so often that it becomes a burden.... your still going to need someone to countersign your passport and every other inconvenience that comes with physical ID... because you still need those too :/
they are you digital ID it;s just a basket that can track your phone
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Yup, true with Right to Work, although i assume this only applies to PAYE employees, and it seems that's all Digital ID will (currently) be mandatory for -
And wasn't the '£85' in reference to current verification services that charge, like the Post Office, and Digital ID being offered as a 'free' alternative?
Starmer is quoted as saying -
Personally i want some additional clarification around this but to me and purely from that quote, it doesn't particularly sound like Starmer is forcing anyone to pay £85 every time they change job.
And i can't say i've needed to pay for a ID verification service when getting a (PAYE) job or anything else.
IMO, the waters have become quite mudded recently around Digital ID, so i'll save the hysterics and the ifs, buts and whataboutisms that some users here are doing until the Government actually gives us some specifics.
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I sincerely hope we don’t have to wait years until Labour are out. Steamrolling an incredibly unpopular, unnecessary, expensive control measure. What could go wrong?
You do realise polling suggested 60% of people were in favour until the day Starmer announced the exact same policy.
The only explanation is political ideology is taking over from practical reality.
How else can 60% of people support it up until the day an unpopular PM announces to do something the same group of people previously supported.
It probably IS because Starmer IS a plonker. You are right.
If they hadn't made the employment part mandatory then there probably wouldn't have been the backlash. Allowing people to continue to use their current forms of ID with a free digital ID as an option should have been the way they targeted it. Telling people they can't get a job without an unnecessary tracking app was never going to be a crowd pleaser.
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Yep, it's only the mandatory part I take issue with. If it wasn't for that then people can assess for themselves and decide if the convenience outweighs the security (/big brother) concerns.