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aj2703

aj2703

aj2703

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Hi.

I just purchased a UGREEN NASync DXP4800 Plus. I can only get a 1Gps connection which I think is caused by my router. The Virgin media 3.0 hub.

I have ordered the 5x Hub which I gather should support the 10gps speed. I have also ordered a Cat 8 cable, over kill i know but at £20 for 10M I am not complaining.

I have also connected the NAS to my router with the supplied cat 7 cable which are both downstairs. I run a cable cat 5 i think it is from the living room upstairs to my bedroom which is where I have my main PC. The cable goes into a Netgear GS108 switch which I gather does not support the 10GbE speed either. I plan to change that cable for the cat 8 one purchased.

This is where I need help as I think this will be the bottleneck after the router has arrived.

Can you guys recommend a switch that is upto the job and also advise me if I have missed something.
 
Do you not need cat 8 cables, save money and get 5e or 6 instead.

Far easier to connect the 5x hub into a cheap 2.5 GbE switch, or 10 GbE but dear ending in HDD setup you may not see the full 10 Gbps.
 
The cables are arriving today. Like I said only £20 for 10M so I won't worry about that.

I am more concerned with getting a high speed connection between my upstairs PC and the NAS box downstairs for file transfers.

Not sure if I am doing it right as I am not experienced with this. I am also looking at the back of the 5x hub and it seems to be vastly different from the 3.0 box and I am not sure if my TV etc will work without other adaptors..?
 
Cat8 for consumer install doesn’t make sense unless you are building a data centre, have professional network experience and installation equipment / tools.
 
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How on earth did you have the sense to ask for advice, but manage to make such awful choices before you did?

Let’s start with the obvious, you wasted £20 on a pointless cable, 5e does 10Gb (assuming it’s not CCA) or some ridiculous length run. As you say you need adapters for the 5x, would I be right in thinking VM didn’t supply it to you? If so, that’s stolen property and will never work on your account as the MAC needs to be registered on ICOMS/NAGRA and they will never do that for you.

What you needed was a sub £32 2.5Gb switch that would be delivered next day, it would come with 4x2.5Gb ports and 2xSFP+, you connect the router to one port, the PC and NAS to two others and if you need more, the existing Netgear switch to the latter. Anything ‘on switch’ like the NAS and PC (assuming the PC has 2.5Gb) can then communicate at the headline speed, assuming the drives can keep up on both ends.
 
A few points the others haven't mentioned:

Cat 7 isn't a real spec for Ethernet. It isn't even intended to be run with RJ45 ('Ethernet') connectors on the ends.

Both cat 7 and cat 8 cable are mandatory shielded. That means the whole length of cable has a foil jacket inside, and *requires* shielded and grounded ports at both ends. Most switches won't be, and the Virgin Hub most certainly isn't. That just turns your cable into a nice long antennae to pick up and/or radiate electromagnetic noise. That's bad. In your shoes I'd return them, especially if you got them from a place with prime next day delivery where refunds are quick and easy.

Higher numbers aren't 'better'. In your case cat 5e would realistically do, but cat 6 (<55M runs) or cat 6a (to 100M) are the better fit. Since cat 6a is also often shielded, I'd opt for 5e (short runs, pure copper) or cat 6 in your case.

You say you are getting the Hub 5x, which is for Nextfibre areas. That's good, it bypasses the huge downside of running VM (DOCSIS), and means your WAN is coming in over optical connection and leaves you a 10G copper port on the router/modem. With the DXP4800 Plus you could conceivably hit or at least come close to 10Gb throughput if you're using the NVMe drives and the right ZFS or RAID setup. Generally 10G switches aren't cheap. Does your PC have a 10G NIC (either copper or SFP+)?

For my money, I'd ordinarily suggest Mikrotik CRS305-1G-4S+in. That's SFP+ though, and your router and NAS are both copper. Adding at least two RJ45 to SFP+ modules would cost at least an extra £50, plus throw out unnecessary heat. A copper alternative like the TP-Link TL-SX105 will run you a couple of hundred quid, and allow you to plug in the router, NAS and PC at 10G then drop a link to a cheap Chinese 2.5G copper access switch (<£50) for the rest of your LAN.
 
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All I am trying to achieve is this.

A direct 10GbE connection to my NAS which is downstairs in the living room to my upstairs PC in my bedroom. I have installed a TP Link TX401 Card into my pc. The cable is plugged into that and connected to the NAS 10GbE port.

I have a direct connection from my NAS 2.5GbE port to my current virgin media router which is situated beside the NAS downstairs.

I still wish to have internet access on my upstairs PC.

The end goal is to copy large files from my upstairs pc at speed to the NAS with the 10GbE connection. The 2.5 GbE I am hoping I can use for uploads to the NAS when I am outside of the house on holidays etc.

Am I missing something here?

Does anyone in here have the DXP 4800 plus with a similar setup?
 
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Can you draw it out?

If you want to use a direct connection between the NAS and your PC then you need to set static addresses on both sides of the link without a default gateway set and then access the NAS via that IP.
 
Caged said:
Can you draw it out?

If you want to use a direct connection between the NAS and your PC then you need to set static addresses on both sides of the link without a default gateway set and then access the NAS via that IP.
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I just edited my above post. I still wish to also use my upstairs PC to access the net.
 
aj2703 said:
I just edited my above post. I still wish to also use my upstairs PC to access the net.
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Right, so as Caged said you need a separate subnet for the direct PC-NAS link. Keep your main LAN (2.5G card) as it is, probably dhcp. Set a static connection between the 10G ilnks in a totally different subnet. For example if your LAN is `192.168.1.0/24`, set the 10G link to something like `172.16.5.0/24` (or even /31 but it's not go crazy). Then you can set the PC to be `172.16.5.10` and the NAS as `172.16.5.20`. They will find each other using arp and the main LAN and Internet connection will still work via your other 2.5G interface and its own default route.
 
Hi.

I would like to start by saying a big thankyou to Rainmaker for helping me behind the scenes :-).

He logged into my PC and it was up and running in minutes. Thank you I truely appreciate it :-)
 
aj2703 said:
Hi.

I would like to start by saying a big thankyou to Rainmaker for helping me behind the scenes :-).

He logged into my PC and it was up and running in minutes. Thank you I truely appreciate it :-)
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No worries, happy to help. Sometimes 2 mins on RustDesk is worth an hour of explaining on a forum. :cry: Glad it's all sorted for you.
 
It is and it seems so much easier when you can sit and watch someone doing it. :-)

I do have a question with regards to the upload speed from a mobile. It seems very slow at 1 - 2 MB/S. UGreen make you connect through their link server. I am pretty sure this is acting like some kind of bottle neck. When I do a speed test over 5g the results are 105.1 Mbps download and 15.2Mbps upload.

Is there a way I can bypass the Ugreen connection and still login using their software or any other way does anyone know?
 
aj2703 said:
When I do a speed test over 5g the results are 105.1 Mbps download and 15.2Mbps upload.
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You need to be careful with your Bytes and your Bits

2MB/s = 16Mbps

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NetMan said:
You need to be careful with your Bytes and your Bits

2MB/s = 16Mbps

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Sorry are you saying then that the upload speed to the NAS is about right?
 
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aj2703 said:
Sorry are you saying then that the upload speed to the NAS is about right?
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Yes you are being limited by your poor 5G upload speed; your test said you had an upload speed of 15Mbps so that is the limiting factor.

16 Mega BITS per second is the same as 2 Mega BYTES per second.

If you need a faster upload connect your mobile to your Wifi, turn the mobile data off and try again it should be faster.
 
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NetMan said:
Yes you are being limited by your poor 5G upload speed; your test said you had an upload speed of 15Mbps so that is the limitting factor.

16 Mega BITS per second is the same as 2 Mega BYTES per second.

If you need a faster upload connect you mobile to your Wifi, turn the mobile data off and try again it should be faster.
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Hi.

Yes I get blazing speeds via Wi-Fi. I just thought if I wanted to upload something when I am say on holiday over 5g it would be a bit quicker.
 
aj2703 said:
Yes I get blazing speeds via Wi-Fi. I just thought if I wanted to upload something when I am say on holiday over 5g it would be a bit quicker.
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Your current 5G upload speed sucks, it could be a poor signal or network congestion but my 4G connection is faster than that.

As for how fast it will be when you are on holiday how long is a piece of string?

Your 5G mobile signal sat on a beach somewhere could be excellent and blazing fast or it could be none existent.

Maybe check if the holiday bar / hotel / cafe has WiFi and maybe think about a VPN when using public WiFi...
 
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NetMan said:
Your current 5G upload speed sucks, it could be a poor signal or network congestion but my 4G connection is faster than that.
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You're not wrong there as I am finding out. :cry: I just did the same test over 4g and there was virtually no difference in upload speed. I am also near the east cost, right by it to be honest. I'll try it when I am near the city tomorrow which is roughly 20 miles away and see how it goes.
 
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