Poll: DIGITAL ID - It's coming *** NO GENERAL POLITICS TALK - ONE AND ONLY WARNING ***

Are you for or against the new Digital ID

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b0rn2sk8 said:
You do realise polling suggested 60% of people were in favour until the day Starmer announced the exact same policy.

The only explanation is political ideology is taking over from practical reality.

How else can 60% of people support it up until the day an unpopular PM announces to do something the same group of people previously supported.
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Nonsense, It wasn’t popular when the government tried to introduce it in the 2000s, it wasn’t popular when the Tories floated it again under the guise of vaccine passports, and it’s not popular now. Every time a national ID scheme comes up under any government, public pushback follows and the britcard label comes out in the press. Sentiment on this hasn’t shifted, no matter how much the polling is shaped by framing or choice architecture.
 
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p1RATE said:
Nonsense, It wasn’t popular when the government tried to introduce it in the 2000s, it wasn’t popular when the Tories floated it again under the guise of vaccine passports, and it’s not popular now. Every time a national ID scheme comes up under any government, public pushback follows and the britcard label comes out in the press. Sentiment on this hasn’t shifted, no matter how much the polling is shaped by framing or choice architecture.
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It’s not total nonsense, here is the pol:


57% of Britons support national ID card scheme, but have significant concerns over data security and implementation​

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Edit: you gov also have a page tracking support here - https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...a-system-of-national-identity-cards-in-the-uk
 
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I'm sorry, your assertion was that sentiment has flipped on the issue because of it being put forward by Starmer, which really is not the case. Sentiment on mandated ID has remained unchanged for decades regardless of political party, and the only thing that poll proves is that it did not accurately gauge the wider view on the topic.

b0rn2sk8 said:
no one knows what the implementation will look like yet because nothing has been published.
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Also there is a substantial amount published about the intended implementations and use cases and many red flags have been raised. You're right in that we don't yet know what watered down version will be delivered by 2029, but there certainly is a lot published on the proposed implementations
 
The polling was consistent over a sustained period of time (13 pols over 6 years) by professional polling companies using statistically relevant samples.

To simply hand waive it away as inaccurate is dishonest at best.

If all these pols are so inaccurate why does anyone bother? That’s because they are a consistently good indicator of people’s views.
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
The polling was consistent over a sustained period of time (13 pols over 6 years) by professional polling companies using statistically relevant samples.

To simply hand waive it away as inaccurate is dishonest at best.

If all these pols are so inaccurate why does anyone bother? That’s because they are a consistently good indicator of people’s views.
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I'm waiving away your claims that "How else can 60% of people support it up until the day an unpopular PM announces to do something the same group of people previously supported."

That is simply not what has happened. Sentiment has remained consistent regardless of political party and mandated ID has had the same reception every time it has raised it head for 25 years.
 
Its all or nothing, You can say your not having a DigitalID but it'll be there, On an old poorly updated server somewhere, Just waiting for a hacker you to access.

I see the petition has nearly 3 million signatures. So thats about 66 million that haven't. Probably more with the unknown amount of illegals.
 
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p1RATE said:
I'm waiving away your claims that "How else can 60% of people support it up until the day an unpopular PM announces to do something the same group of people previously supported."

That is simply not what has happened. Sentiment has remained consistent regardless of political party and mandated ID has had the same reception every time it has raised it head for 25 years.
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Except it hasn’t.

This is the latest poll which clearly shows a swing in the opposite direction to previous polls I posted.


Fell free to post some receipts for your claims and we can get into it.
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
Except it hasn’t.

This is the latest poll which clearly shows a swing in the opposite direction to previous polls I posted.


Fell free to post some receipts for your claims and we can get into it.
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Absolutely, you see the exact same swing when this was put forward in 2006. Support drops massively once the debate hits the mainstream.

So your interpretation of this data to be a shift due to a lack of popularity of Starmer doesn't hold water.
 
p1RATE said:
Absolutely, you see the exact same swing when this was put forward in 2006. Support drops massively once the debate hits the mainstream.

So your interpretation of this data to be a shift due to a lack of popularity of Starmer doesn't hold water.
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Polling is representative of the mainstream, that is literally the point of it. They specifically account for the politically engaged.

Ultimately I can’t find any polling data following the announcement under the Tony Blair government so I can’t collaborate your assertion either.

At best I can see some anecdotal contributions from partisan media outlets which you have to take with a pinch of salt.

The evidence points towards the previous scheme being scrapped for political reasons, not that a majority of people were against it.

Ultimately it was a scheme which a previous administration implemented, and the new administration opposed it. They were also embarking on a massive austerity drive, the scheme has an ongoing cost and wasn’t fully embedded (e.g. it could be canned with no dependencies). It was a pretty easy target.
 
Blackbeltbarrister gave a story on his youtube about buying a new phone.
switching everything over to his new phone, and then his bank locking him out for 7 days even though he had both the phones...

he also mentioned how easy the police are confiscating peoples mobile phones over social media posts which is happening even more often.

how's that going to work with digital ID, and what happens if you get a new phone, how much hassle will it be to reverify its you...


can see the whole thing just being a huge inconvenience in actual implementation, even for those who truly believe it will make their life easier.
 
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arknor said:
Blackbeltbarrister gave a story on his youtube about buying a new phone.
switching everything over to his new phone, and then his bank locking him out for 7 days even though he had both the phones...

he also mentioned how easy the police are confiscating peoples mobile phones over social media posts which is happening even more often.

how's that going to work with digital ID, and what happens if you get a new phone, how much hassle will it be to reverify its you...


can see the whole thing just being a huge inconvenience in actual implementation, even for those who truly believe it will make their life easier.
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Cool story…

I’ve got another cool story, I’ve changed phones multiple times and never been locked out of one of the many banking apps on my phone.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
no one knows what the implementation will look like yet because nothing has been published.
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But they can make reasoned assumptions based on the implementation of previous government schemes, the best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour and all that.
 
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