Poll: DIGITAL ID - It's coming *** NO GENERAL POLITICS TALK - ONE AND ONLY WARNING ***

Are you for or against the new Digital ID

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b0rn2sk8 said:
Polling is representative of the mainstream, that is literally the point of it. They specifically account for the politically engaged.

Ultimately I can’t find any polling data following the announcement under the Tony Blair government so I can’t collaborate your assertion either.

At best I can see some anecdotal contributions from partisan media outlets which you have to take with a pinch of salt.

The evidence points towards the previous scheme being scrapped for political reasons, not that a majority of people were against it.

Ultimately it was a scheme which a previous administration implemented, and the new administration opposed it. They were also embarking on a massive austerity drive, the scheme has an ongoing cost and wasn’t fully embedded (e.g. it could be canned with no dependencies). It was a pretty easy target.
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I have no idea what you're trying to establish here. When Tony Blair proposed mandatory ID back then it was just as controversial and the response was pretty much as we are seeing now. It's a pattern of support dropping after an announcement and public scrutiny which is consistent in the UK every time a scheme like this gets proposed, the same thing happened with proposed vaccine passports.

If you think it is just because people don't like starmer then so be it.
 
Infidelus said:
It means I have no doubt that, as this is a government run app, they will track every use of it.
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Fubsy said:
It's on a device that goes everywhere with you.
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Similar to every other vendor's app, i imagine some analytic tracking will occur within the app but are you both suggesting the Government will do more nefarious types of "tracking" within the Digital ID app? If so, specifically what type of tracking and what evidence have you got that suggests the Government will do this given they already supply a number of apps, like the NHS app, to the public that don't appear to do anything outside of the norm (in terms of tracking)?
 
I would have been for this around 10 years go, not so much now.

It kind of feels like desperation from Labour, with their approval this low, they won't get in at the next election, maybe for another 10 years+ again

They might see this as their last chance to get this done, it's a great way to monitor and control people that disagree with your politics
 
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visibleman said:
Similar to every other vendor's app, i imagine some analytic tracking will occur within the app but are you both suggesting the Government will do more nefarious types of "tracking" within the Digital ID app? If so, specifically what type of tracking and what evidence have you got that suggests the Government will do this given they already supply a number of apps, like the NHS app, to the public that don't appear to do anything outside of the norm (in terms of tracking)?
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There is no evidence.*

Analytic tracking, combined with fingerprinting (digital kind), linking to ID card on a device on the person most of the time, with mandatory requirements. It's like telling a kid not to eat the sweet in front of them.

By the time there is evidence, it's too late.

I don't want to be a visibleman.

*There are so many dangers we avoid without evidence. It really isn't a necessity to prove intent or outsource our instincts.
 
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ebilcake said:
I would have been for this around 10 years go, not so much now.

It kind of feels like desperation from Labour, with their approval this low, they won't get in at the next election, maybe for another 10 years+ again

They might see this as their last chance to do this done, it's a great way to monitor and control people that disagree with your politics
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it'll be scary as hell with digital id if another pandemic hits
 
Fubsy said:
There is no evidence.*

Analytic tracking, combined with fingerprinting (digital kind), linking to ID card on a device on the person most of the time, with mandatory requirements. It's like telling a kid not to eat the sweet in front of them.

By the time there is evidence, it's too late.

I don't want to be a visibleman.

*There are so many dangers we avoid without evidence. It really isn't a necessity to prove intent or outsource our instincts.
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Where does fingerprinting come in to this precisely?
As apps tend to be sandboxed on mobile device without direct access to biometrics other than being able to prod the corresponding library to authenticate a user.

And analytics are embedded in a lot of the apps you currently use, so why are you worried about analytics in the Digital ID app but not others?
Again, apps are limited to what data can be gleamed for analytics and a Government app doesn't change this.

It's absolutely fine and understandable to not want a digital form of ID on your phone but i'm confused to why you wouldn't just say that instead of conjuring up conspiracy fantasy BS reasoning as if we're in some dystopian novel.

Fact is, we know the square-root of **** all and instead of coming at with some form of rationale, some users here have decided to **** the bed early doors and spread misinformation and fearmongering; which is not only baffling, it's also quite frankly dangerous.
 
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Fubsy said:
Digital fingerprints are nothing to do with your biometrics.

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My bad, i wrongly assumed digital user fingerprinting (biometrics) rather device fingerprinting (via a mobile app).

So in your world were the Digital ID app can fingerprint a device with complete accuracy (the reality is a bit different but we'll forget that) and added complications like GDPR are ignored, it's a bit of a grey area but device/user fingerprinting typically falls under PII and requires opt-in consent, how will the Government use this device fingerprint for nefarious means? How does this "help" them exactly?

Nasher said:
Wouldn't be to hard to link them though. They have in China...
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Got a source or an article?
 
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The Snowden leaks showed us that laws like GDPR etc. are not worth the vellum they're written on. Then of course there's the recent Apple ADP case, where the government are trying to force a tech company to remove security, which would have all been done in secret if it hadn't been leaked. So any normal device restrictions about security etc., won't necessarily apply to a Government app.
 
The governments app still has to abide by the government’s own laws. That’s the benefit of having a truly independent judiciary, they can and do hold the government to account over this kind of stuff.

It’s not like the app couldn’t be decompiled and checked fairly easily. Likewise the traffic it sends back can be snooped and checked also.

It’s going to be blinding obvious to anyone with any experience this field of the app was doing something dodgy and given the scrutiny it will be under, anything dodgy will get uncovered in hours.
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
It’s going to be blinding obvious to anyone with any experience this field of the app was doing something dodgy and given the scrutiny it will be under, anything dodgy will get uncovered in hours.
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That may well be true, but if it's mandatory, what can you do.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
It’s going to be blinding obvious to anyone with any experience this field of the app was doing something dodgy and given the scrutiny it will be under, anything dodgy will get uncovered in hours.
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Also it's not necessarily what data is collected it's how that data is used that is dodgy .
 
visibleman said:
My bad, i wrongly assumed digital user fingerprinting (biometrics) rather device fingerprinting (via a mobile app).

So in your world were the Digital ID app can fingerprint a device with complete accuracy (the reality is a bit different but we'll forget that) and added complications like GDPR are ignored, it's a bit of a grey area but device/user fingerprinting typically falls under PII and requires opt-in consent, how will the Government use this device fingerprint for nefarious means? How does this "help" them exactly?


Got a source or an article?
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People with low "social points" (aka those who speak badly about the government) in China can't travel out of town. They can't use their ID/payment to get on trains or anything. So they have already linked their "digital ID" to reality.

This digital ID crap here is building the foundations to make something like that possible.
 
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Darkpilgrim said:
Also it's not necessarily what data is collected it's how that data is used that is dodgy .
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I’m pretty sure what data is collected is highly relevant to how they use it.

It’s highly likely all the data flowing though the app is information they already have somewhere.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I’m pretty sure what data is collected is highly relevant to how they use it.

It’s highly likely all the data flowing though the app is information they already have somewhere.
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Even if they have the same data somewhere else it doesn't mean they can just use it how they like. It can only be collected for a specific purpose. So you still need to protect yourself and not go "oh well they already know".
 
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Nasher said:
Even if they have the same data somewhere else it doesn't mean they can just use it how they like. It can only be collected for a specific purpose. If they re-use it they are breaking data protection laws.
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Welcome to 6 posts ago. Literally what I wrote in post 973…. :cry:
 
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