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mattyg said:
Possibly some very good news

www.livescience.com

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines can trigger the immune system to recognize and kill cancer, research finds

The researchers found that mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines could potentially help patients whose tumors don’t respond well to traditional immunotherapy.
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Link to study

www.nature.com

SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines sensitize tumours to immune checkpoint blockade - Nature

mRNA vaccines targeting SARS-CoV-2 also sensitize tumours to immune checkpoint inhibitors.
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They said mRNA shots caused cancer, funny how it is actually doing the opposite...

Private covid jabs where I am are £75, got the latest LP.8.1 Pfizer too.
 
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decent article on BBC regarding the covid response

www.bbc.co.uk

The private notes and secret documents that tell the inside story of the UK's Covid response

The Covid inquiry is set to publish its second set of findings looking in detail at the huge political decisions that had to be made in 2020.
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The fast lane PPE disgrace & the rule breaking of those in charge aside - which is inexcusable - This article really shows how hard it was, with a rock and a hard place coming to mind. Regardless of what side of the fence you are on (stricter lockdowns vs let it run for the economy/ peoples mental health) (I am the former) this shows what an impossible situation they were in. rather them than me!.

It is very easy to be critical with the benefit of hindsite to point out where we think they went wrong and say what they should have done (and I am as guilty of this as anyone) but imo there was no easy win, with a high price having to be paid what ever happened. That does not mean i will ever forgive some of the corruption and rule breaking which went on..... but i have to believe that even the decisions made which I feel were stupidly reckless (eat out to help out for instance) were only done with the best of intentions.

The biggest fear however is if we have another outbreak of something what the public response will be to what ever instructions we are given to do.
 
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JonRGV250 said:
I would imagine a great deal of people will just ignore whatever the government guidelines are should it happen again.
I certainly would.
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I think you are right, however the problem is, a different illness may have different outcomes, so ignoring any rules could have disastrous consequences. ultimately however if the overall "will of the people" is to ignore rules, unless we have full martial law with shoot on sight policy (which is a scary thought) without the support of the people then they wont be able to enforce anything if there is mass rebellion. (law and order only works because most of us want it to and ultimately support it)
 
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JonRGV250 said:
I would imagine a great deal of people will just ignore whatever the government guidelines are should it happen again.
I certainly would.
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I absolutely understand why, However how would you feel if you did ignore guidelines and because of that your parents got ill and passed away. Something that could have easily been prevented.

I'm fortunate, I run my own businesses and I can do so from home. Actually being at risk and having IBD i can run my businesses whilst sat on the toilet. So a lockdown again wouldn't really impact me, but i can see why some people would say bugger this i'm doing what i want.
 
mattyg said:
I absolutely understand why, However how would you feel if you did ignore guidelines and because of that your parents got ill and passed away. Something that could have easily been prevented.
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To be fair, myself and pretty much everyone I know (and worked with) all completely ignored everything the government said, and we’re all still alive and kicking.
Although just to add, I’m not in any shape or form saying COVID isn’t real, or that people didn’t suffer with it.
 
Tephnos said:
They said mRNA shots caused cancer, funny how it is actually doing the opposite...

Private covid jabs where I am are £75, got the latest LP.8.1 Pfizer too.
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I wish I could get the jab. I'm housebound at the moment though and I can't find a service that will come out and do it at home.
 
JonRGV250 said:
To be fair, myself and pretty much everyone I know (and worked with) all completely ignored everything the government said, and we’re all still alive and kicking.
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Plenty are not.

JonRGV250 said:
Although just to add, I’m not in any shape or form saying COVID isn’t real, or that people didn’t suffer with it.
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The NHS was ten tenths on the way to collapse. There is an awful lot of hindsight in all this so I am taking it all with a pinch of salt. How a judge can determine that 23000 people would have been saved by a one week earlier lockdown is beyond my ken.
 
indeed. I don't think we handled it well and I do think we should have locked down sooner. stuff like the Liverpool euro match was insane .

but that said. captain hindsight is strong in those findings just like it is from the people who argue we should have been allowed outdoors sooner or that kids should never have been forced off school because COVID did not affect them.

things can always be done better with the advantage of knowing after the fact.

but I am not letting them off the hook for a lot of it
 
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Exactly, who'd have thought if we'd done things differently then different outcomes may have occurred :rolleyes:

As mentioned, a lot of these findings are with hindsight, when you're on the ground in the middle off it with no previous reference points what do you do, I lost a friend at 48 years old very early on because he went into hospital and they put him on oxygen, a couple of weeks later and they'd realised that giving patients oxygen gave them lung\breathing issues, speaking to his son he's obviously upset but does accept they did what they thought was best.

But yes the dodgy PPE deals handed out and flagrant breaching of the rules by the then people in charge are what people are focussing on rather and should a similar event happen in the future everyone will blow raspberries at the rules that are brought in as a result.
 
Who could have possibly known that sending care home patients back to care homes to clear hospital beds, without testing them for covid, would end in disaster?
Who could have possibly known that allowing the Liverpool euro match to go ahead with Spanish fans coming over, allowing the Cheltenham horse festival to continue as normal and the Stereophonic concert to go ahead as normal in mid March would massively ramp up the initial spread of covid?
Who could have possibly known that "eat out to help covid out" would cause another spike in positives and deaths, while temporarily helping out businesses, all while no covid vaccines were available?
Who could have possibly known that kids, who spread infections between themselves and their families while at school (and in most cases affecting older people far more than themsleves), would also do so with deadly covid before we were vaccinated?
etc.

Yes, there were and still are asymptomatic covid positives.

But you don't need to be a Mastermind champion contender to see how stupid the decisions were and how ultimately Boris dithered and delayed on covid policies.
 
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UTmaniac said:
Who could have possibly known that sending care home patients back to care homes to clear hospital beds, without testing them for covid, would end in disaster?
Who could have possibly known that allowing the Liverpool euro match to go ahead with Spanish fans coming over, allowing the Cheltenham horse festival to continue as normal and the Stereophonic concert to go ahead as normal in mid March would massively ramp up the initial spread of covid?
Who could have possibly known that "eat out to help covid out" would cause another spike in positives and deaths, while temporarily helping out businesses, all while no covid vaccines were available?
Who could have possibly known that kids, who spread infections between themselves and their families while at school (and in most cases affecting older people far more than themsleves), would also do so with deadly covid before we were vaccinated?
etc.

Yes, there were and still are asymptomatic covid positives.

But you don't need to be a Mastermind champion contender to see how stupid the decisions were and how ultimately Boris dithered and delayed on covid policies.
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Johnson is a total idiot; one of those rich, arrogant fools who may know quite a lot about classics but is useless in a crisis and doesn't care anyway (the common people are beneath him). Someone of that calibre should never have been made PM.
 
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but your viewing all that with the benefit of 50/50 hindsight. At the start of the pandemic even the medical professionals were changing their advice on a daily - if not hourly basis plus every Govt the world over was trying to balance the pandemic, the economy and peoples freedoms. Yes some things could have been done differently but I suspect that is the same in most places. Whatever people think of Johnson/Cummings etc - our figures at the end of the day didnt turn out to be broadly out of step with other similar countries.

In a Pandemic people die - I get that the relatives want to find someone at fault for that but I am not sure a multi- million £ enquiry has actualy achieved anything other burn a shedload of cash better spent elsewhere only to confirm what we already knew.
 
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but your viewing all that with the benefit of 50/50 hindsight. At the start of the pandemic even the medical professionals were changing their advice on a daily - if not hourly basis plus every Govt the world over was trying to balance the pandemic, the economy and peoples freedoms. Yes some things could have been done differently but I suspect that is the same in most places. Whatever people think of Johnson/Cummings etc - our figures at the end of the day didnt turn out to be broadly out of step with other similar countries.

In a Pandemic people die - I get that the relatives want to find someone at fault for that but I am not sure a multi- million £ enquiry has actualy achieved anything other burn a shedload of cash better spent elsewhere only to confirm what we already knew.
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Science isn't about coming up with a theory and it holds true until the end of time. It's peer reviewed and theories adapt to new evidence.
 
I was told on Wednesday that our Trust has over 100 seriously ill patients with Covid taking up beds.
Perhaps we can make up a conspiracy theory why the Government aren't telling the public this time.
 
ltron said:
Johnson is a total idiot; one of those rich, arrogant fools who may know quite a lot about classics but is useless in a crisis and doesn't care anyway (the common people are beneath him). Someone of that calibre should never have been made PM.
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But we still are doing it. God forbid we get a pandemic with this lot in charge.
 
It's all well and good the enquiry saying lockdowns could have been avoided and they acted too late etc but no matter which way you'd try doing something different there would have been something else impacted by it - i/e even more cancelled non-covid related treatments etc.

My pandemic heroes are the shop workers - they may not be as brainy as doctors but every day they were going to work knowing members of the public would be in the shop too and if they had decided not to - the country would have ground to a standstill and people wouldn't have been able to get food and essentials.

Even the doctors and nurses have to eat so they also needed those shops to be open.

My covid non hero is Jenny Harries for telling people to go to the races - she shouldn't still be in a government related job.
 
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