Greenlizard0 Premier League Football Thread ** spoilers ** [22nd - 24th November 2025]

Liverpool's next few games are all on the easier side, I think Slot has just enough credit in the bank to get until mid-December, but that will be it.
 
the wopster said:
Remember when some Liverpool fans on twitter were asking if there had been a better “upgrade” in the history of football.
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To be fair, it would take an odd view on footballers abilities to think that Nunez is a better striker than Isak, even if based purely on statistics, Isak has scored more premier league goals in fewer games than Nunez did. Though yeah its not the best upgrade in the history of football, thats probably more like the Carroll to Suarez upgrade :D (given that I rate Suarez as the best player I've ever seen in a Liverpool shirt)
 
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spudbynight said:
My mum and brother are both Liverpool fans. They are now on the "Slot out" train
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I'm not on it yet but I think questions are needing to be asked and I think if Liverpool dont get the points against West Ham and Sunderland in the next 2 games then he is surely done. No Liverpool (or indeed Arsenal, Utd, City etc) manager can lose 8 league games out of 9 and still keep their jobs.
 
Tombstone said:
I'm not on it yet but I think questions are needing to be asked and I think if Liverpool dont get the points against West Ham and Sunderland in the next 2 games then he is surely done. No Liverpool (or indeed Arsenal, Utd, City etc) manager can lose 8 league games out of 9 and still keep their jobs.
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Or Nottingham Forest manager....
 
Slot did a great job in the first year to win the league. Facts.

But I was always of the opinion that it was Klops squad and Slot was going to start getting judged from this season onwards when he starts making changes to the squad and molding the team in his image.

So far it's not going well. The summer recruitment has been poor. They did not address their defensive issues. Neither Kerkez or Frimpong are their answers at left and right back.

Wirtz so far has been incredibly poor.

Also part of the issue could be the coaching as well. Liverpool cannot defend.
 
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the wopster said:
Just back from the game and what a performance and game, could have been up 4-2 at half time and ended up 6-3, think we fully deserved the win, also hope Malick Thiaw remembers to take Frankenstein out of his pocket before he goes home tonight.
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If we are shopping in January we need to head back to Milan. :D they keep giving us some of the best players I’ve ever seen!!

We need to spend that Isak money ASAP before Liverpool report us for scamming them.
 
Bigpig said:
If we are shopping in January we need to head back to Milan. :D they keep giving us some of the best players I’ve ever seen!!

We need to spend that Isak money ASAP before Liverpool report us for scamming them.
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Yeah I’m expecting a credit card charge back, because the goods we sold them weren’t advertised as expected :cry: :cry: :cry:
 
opethdisciple said:
Slot did a great job in the first year to win the league. Facts.

But I was always of the opinion that it was Klops squad and Slot was going to start getting judged from this season onwards when he starts making changes to the squad and molding the team in his image.

So far it's not going well. The summer recruitment has been poor. They did not address their defensive issues. Neither Kerkez or Frimpong are their answers at left and right back.

Wirtz so far has been incredibly poor.

Also part of the issue could be the coaching as well. Liverpool cannot defend.
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I think it was more that there wasn't any significant super team last season either. Liverpool could have quite easily finished 3rd or 4th with the points they got in recent seasons.

I also said this at the time but Salah had a purple season last season which also inflated their season. He bailed them out on so many games so it is of no surprise with him struggling this season that points have dropped.
 
opethdisciple said:
Slot did a great job in the first year to win the league. Facts.

But I was always of the opinion that it was Klops squad and Slot was going to start getting judged from this season onwards when he starts making changes to the squad and molding the team in his image.

So far it's not going well. The summer recruitment has been poor. They did not address their defensive issues. Neither Kerkez or Frimpong are their answers at left and right back.

Wirtz so far has been incredibly poor.

Also part of the issue could be the coaching as well. Liverpool cannot defend.
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Agree with most of that but Kerkez and Frimpong were both fantastic for their clubs last season, as was Wirtz.

Kerkez, on paper, seemed like a natural successor to Robertson and is very similar in playing style, strengths and weaknesses. Frimpong's a vastly different fullback to modern Trent and seems more like Trent of old where he played high, provided width and bombed the box with crosses. He just hasn't been played that way yet for some reason.

Wirtz has genuinely looked good on the ball in most of the games he's played, he's created a lot of chances and should have a boat load of assists but he's been completely let down by our forwards. Having said that, to get the very best out of him, he needs to be playing in a team with runners, plenty of movement and quick passing and that's not Liverpool. He's completely the wrong type of player for how we currently play and I have no idea how Slot thought he would accommodate him without completely changing the way we play. He'd shine in the team Coutinho had around him.

To get the best out of Kerkez and Frimpong, we would need to go back to the style we played a few years ago. The two fullbacks bombing forward, three solid midfielders that provide legs in midfield and cover for the fullbacks and three forwards that actually know how to score. Think of the same team we had when Henderson, Gini and Fabinho were in their prime for us. Wirtz doesn't suit that style either.

All in all, I don't see how we can get the best out of any of them while we play such a slow and laboured style of football and I can't see how we make it work for all of them at the same time because they all need to be playing in a team that play a completely different way.
 
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Pigeon_Killer said:
Agree with most of that but Kerkez and Frimpong were both fantastic for their clubs last season, as was Wirtz.

Kerkez, on paper, seemed like a natural successor to Robertson and is very similar in playing style, strengths and weaknesses. Frimpong's a vastly different fullback to modern Trent and seems more like Trent of old where he played high, provided width and bombed the box with crosses. He just hasn't been played that way yet for some reason.

Wirtz has genuinely looked good on the ball in most of the games he's played, he's created a lot of chances and should have a boat load of assists but he's been completely let down by our forwards. Having said that, to get the very best out of him, he needs to be playing in a team with runners, plenty of movement and quick passing and that's not Liverpool. He's completely the wrong type of player for how we currently play and I have no idea how Slot thought he would accommodate him without completely changing the way we play. He'd shine in the team Coutinho had around him.

To get the best out of Kerkez and Frimpong, we would need to go back to the style we played a few years ago. The two fullbacks bombing forward, three solid midfielders that provide legs in midfield and cover for the fullbacks and three forwards that actually know how to score. Think of the same team we had when Henderson, Gini and Fabinho were in their prime for us. Wirtz doesn't suit that style either.

All in all, I don't see how we can get the best out of any of them while we play such a slow and laboured style of football and I can't see how we make it work for all of them at the same time because they all need to be playing in a team that play a completely different way.
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I said over the summer that I was worried we were falling into the trap that Man United had got lost in, and it's exactly what's happened. We've bought a load of stars, who are individually very good footballers, but football is no longer a game where you can put 11 stars together and let them work it out. It's a systems sport and the system has to come first. Our players don't know what they're doing and too many of them (Macca, Wirtz, Szob, Isak, Ekitike) all want to operate in the same space.

Nobody knew, after all our signings, what our best team would look like, and that's exactly how it's turned out. And players like Wirtz, who are essentially luxury players, need an incredibly specific ( and arguably in English football unworkable) system.
 
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