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So Max is winning, Oscar is p3 and Lando is p4 right before the end of the race...

Surely Mclaren swap them in that scenario (a scenario that isn’t even too unlikely)? Oscar would have pretty much no chance of winning the title in that position unless both Max and Lando's cars failed.

I suppose it depends on how much Piastri wants to keep driving for Mclaren into 2026 and beyond. If I were him after this season, my middle finger would be hanging out the car pointing skywards upon drive by of said Pit wall, to communicate back my feelings at such a request.
 
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If anyone watched the f2 that showed how a safety car can ruin your race. Beganovic was miles in front and pulling away despite being on older tyres than everyone else. Then lost every thing when the safety car came out.
Fornorolli one the race and the title.

We need to stop the lottery of free pit stops during VSC and SC. It's a not formula Mario Kart.
 
Whilst Max is undoubtedly brilliant, Norris (if he loses it) will have lost it due to some rotten luck/McLaren ******* it up.

You can't deny, Max has been gifted with a huge amount of luck over the last few races due to McLaren's **** ups.
This is of course true, but I still maintain that Max has been brilliant to haul that RB into contention, any other driver in that RB and this is just a Lando & Oscar fight. Despite Mclaren's innate ability to mess things up, Max has driven some truly stunning races to get where he is now.
 
So lucky to have that safety car. Without that it would have been the ultimate snooze.

Not sure I blame mclaren entirely for this one. Surely if they had pitted max wouldn't have.

And I actually do think splitting them would have been worse. A PR and inter team nightmare
 
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Two races in a row now that they have ****** up both drivers.!

Absolutely ridiculous.

It's pretty much over for Piastri now. Looking at his body language and expressions after the race, he knows it too...He needs Norris to pretty much DNF AND to beat Max by more than 4 points at the same time.

Norris still just needs to get third, and not worry about anything else.


Also, this track should be taken off the calender. It's awful.

Yeah it's terrible track.
Terrible 25 lap max for tyres.

If it wasn't for the SC it would have been a Monaco procession.

I agree it's max vs norris. And only if mclaren/norris really F it up.

Biggest issue? Probably mentally for norris. He knows he should win. And there were hints of the old norris in his radio messages.

Annoying Antonelli messed up at the end!
 
Max has been flawless this season.
Mclaren, norris and piastri have not.

Max wasn't wrong when he said they've let him have a chance. I agree with him on that.


Also.. Does anyone at all like Croft? Best bit about winter break, no more "nothing doing".
He irritates more more than is healthy!
 
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and ? lots of drivers could have won championships sooner without mistakes. It's hardly a unique trait to Norris.

You keep talking about his mistakes, poor starts etc as a sign of him being weak but you seem to purposely be ignoring the fact that he went on a run of consistantly outperforming his team mate at the most clutch point in the season, pulling back a large points gap at a time when he couldn't afford any major screw ups. He went from almost being out of the title race to leading it, and would have won the title earlier without McLarens technical issues. This against a team mate who has been highly rated for a long time, even before F1, a team mate half this forum thought was a future champ at one point (he could still be)... all whilst having social media call you weak or a bottler.

Im not saying Norris has driven some flawless amazing season, max has been the best driver but your outlook on his performances are extremely one sided to the point you will ignore the good run he went on that turned his title bid around and instead focus on small mistakes, mostly at the start of the season.

It seems that because Norris has outperformed Piastri, the view amongst some is that rather than Norris being good, it's actually just Piastri being poor and they are both in-fact mid. It's a view commonly held and sold by Red Bull/Max fans. Im not sure why they feel the need to do it given Max is universally viewed as the best driver by some distance, but i guess dumping on ones rival is a tale as old as time.

Also i think you need to factor in that this is Norris and Piastri's first time in a truly high pressure environment, they are not seasoned veterans of battling for titles. The first title is often the hardest, and it gets even harder when you have arguably the greatest driver ever chasing you down and making no mistakes in a car which on its day is still very competitive.

TLDR - You're overly harsh on Norris :p
It's not about not making mistakes, but the sheer quantity of mistakes, whether it be poor starts or overtaking before the DRS zone then immediately getting overtaken on the next straight. That's not on par with a WDC.

He outperformed his teammate, who's only been in the team and F1 for a couple years. That same teammate was handily beating him earlier this year until he lost the plot. At least with Oscar we've seen some solid race craft and a steady improvement year-on-year, whereas Norris is still making the same mistakes from last year.

It doesn't help that McLaren have about as much charisma as a rock and totally blunted any form of rivalry. Imagine Nico and Lewis in those cars; they'd be well ahead of 3rd at this point and it would've been entertaining.

If you want positives, Norris's pace is a positive (when he gets it right), and is up there with the best.
 
Max has been flawless this season.
Mclaren, norris and piastri have not.

Max wasn't wrong when he said they've let him have a chance. I agree with him on that.


Also.. Does anyone at all like Croft? Best bit about winter break, no more "nothing doing".
He irritates more more than is healthy!

Cough Spain Cough ;)

So Max is winning, Oscar is p3 and Lando is p4 right before the end of the race...

Surely Mclaren swap them in that scenario (a scenario that isn’t even too unlikely)? Oscar would have pretty much no chance of winning the title in that position unless both Max and Lando's cars failed.

I think he'd swap but seeing some of the clips of the McLaren garage this weekend when he finished ahead of Lando I don't really want him to. Would like to know what Mark Webber is telling him with his history of RB and Seb
 
There is this weird attitude that people have developed that seems to think you need to be Max or peak Hamilton level to be a worthy champion in F1, you don't, very few ever get to that level. Button, Rosberg, Villeneuve, Hill... all won championships with mistakes throughout the season.
It's a RB fan's trait to talk down literally everyone else in F1 regardless of what they've achieved. It's like a MAGA-esque verbal diarrhoea, they can't help but refer to Max as the one true God amongst men and the only deserving champion and the best that ever breathed the air of the pit lane. All this **** started 4 years ago and has just gotten worse. You can see it in the posts on this page.
It's also annoying because if you gave Norris or Piastri a clear number 2 team mate (like Max, Hamilton, Vettel etc have benefited from over the years) they would have won the WDC ages ago, they'd have had little pressure on them all season and yet they would be deemed as having 'championship mentality'.
Exactly.
If Max wins, it'll be an incredible comeback against a car that easily won the WCC several races ago.
Sigh. The reason they won the WCC ages ago was because they have two excellent drivers that had been swapping wins and podiums all season. That's what wins you a WCC midway through the season. Maybe RB should take note?
They shouldn't be allowed to mandate limits on the number of laps the tyre does, even if they suspect high deg. It's silly really because any race weekend a team can run a soft for 99% of the grand prix if they want to and risk a blow out at 200mph, but when Pirelli decide a tyre could have high deg they step in completely moving the goal posts and strategy of all teams. I don't like it.
Totally agree. Nobody seemed to have mega tyre issues during the race either which makes it all the more suspect as to why they had to impose a limit.

In other news, RB have apologised for accusing Kimi of letting Norris through. Too late too late - Kimi has already received death threats and abuse. Funny how the Helmut hasn't apologised after he doubled down on it after Toto's comments, and is hiding behind the RB press release. That man really is a piece of work. The irony of RB accusing a driver of letting another through is lost on no-one *cough* sister team *cough* :rolleyes:
 
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Sigh. The reason they won the WCC ages ago was because they have two excellent drivers that had been swapping wins and podiums all season. That's what wins you a WCC midway through the season. Maybe RB should take note?

This is an important thing to remember. If you have the 2nd fastest car, it's a big advantage in the title fight to have both drivers in the fastest car equally matched and trading podium places/wins every race.

If either Piastri or Norris were rubbish and one of them was netting all the possible wins for the team, whilst the other regularly struggled to get a podium, Max would have likely been out of it already.
 
It's a RB fan's trait to talk down literally everyone else in F1 regardless of what they've achieved. It's like a MAGA-esque verbal diarrhoea, they can't help but refer to Max as the one true God amongst men and the only deserving champion and the best that ever breathed the air of the pit lane. All this **** started 4 years ago and has just gotten worse. You can see it in the posts on this page.

Exactly.

Sigh. The reason they won the WCC ages ago was because they have two excellent drivers that had been swapping wins and podiums all season. That's what wins you a WCC midway through the season. Maybe RB should take note?

Totally agree. Nobody seemed to have mega tyre issues during the race either which makes it all the more suspect as to why they had to impose a limit.

In other news, RB have apologised for accusing Kimi of letting Norris through. Too late too late - Kimi has already received death threats and abuse. Funny how the Helmut hasn't apologised after he doubled down on it after Toto's comments, and is hiding behind the RB press release. That man really is a piece of work. The irony of RB accusing a driver of letting another through is lost on no-one *cough* sister team *cough* :rolleyes:

Also, it seemed like the hard tyre was just as fast as the medium which surprised me. I expected those that went on the hards whilst the McLarens were still on only 7 la old mediums would struggle for a while, but nope : /.

The tyres have been dodgy in that respect for a while.
 
how do you propose that we do that ?
Ban pitstops during VSC and SC and ban tyre changes during red flags, except changing to wet tyres for safety.

The main complications I can think of is if someone hadn't done the mandatory tyre change yet in a full GP race, and the race finishes under VSC or SC. You could argue that they had ample time to do a tyre change though and this would be a rare event and they just get DQ'd. We don't normally see someone go from start to the final few laps on their starting tyre. In fact, in this era, I don't think anyone did.

I'd also like to see deltas kept during full SC or Red flags. i.e. The gaps between each driver kept. They could do this by either never having full SC and having only VSC but an even slower version of it. Or with full SC or Red flags, they could queue the cars up in the pit lane to resume the race and have rally style lights sync'd to their steering wheel which releases them one after another at the exact time gap they were behind.

I just think when F1 is so tactical and strategic, it's a bit rubbish seeing luck alter championships when the luck of some things can be altered and got rid of.
 
Ban pitstops during VSC and SC and ban tyre changes during red flags, except changing to wet tyres for safety.

The main complications I can think of is if someone hadn't done the mandatory tyre change yet in a full GP race, and the race finishes under VSC or SC. You could argue that they had ample time to do a tyre change though and this would be a rare event and they just get DQ'd. We don't normally see someone go from start to the final few laps on their starting tyre. In fact, in this era, I don't think anyone did.

I'd also like to see deltas kept during full SC or Red flags. i.e. The gaps between each driver kept. They could do this by either never having full SC and having only VSC but an even slower version of it. Or with full SC or Red flags, they could queue the cars up in the pit lane to resume the race and have rally style lights sync'd to their steering wheel which releases them one after another at the exact time gap they were behind.

I just think when F1 is so tactical and strategic, it's a bit rubbish seeing luck alter championships when the luck of some things can be altered and got rid of.

I'm in two minds about this really. It is annoying that safety cars can happen at just the right time for some people and give them an advantage which can punish a driver through no fault of their own.

On the flip side, they do often add some much needed spice to proceedings and make things more interesting. Without the safety car, yesterday's race would have been a complete procession and even more boring than it was.
 
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I'm in two minds about this really. It is annoying that safety cars can happen at just the right time for some people and give them an advantage which can punish a driver through no fault of their own.

On the flip side, they do often add some much needed spice to proceedings and make things more interesting. Without the safety car, yesterday's race would have been a complete procession and even more boring than it was.

Completely understand your point and agree, some people in fact like the lottery aspect of it to add spice. That's fine. Not real F1 fans. < ;) Nah I get it. Some would have DRS be done away with as well for being fake and not a true reflection of performance, but I think that is a bit different personally.
With the SC thing, say you are watching a football match and then 5 minutes from the end someone gets injured and you all stop for a bit. It would be a bit like resetting a teams 4-0 lead back to 1-0. Still ahead, but gives the other team a chance now. We would never accept that in any sport, yet in motorsport we do. Seems strange.
 
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Red Bull and the toxic Verstappen fans up to their usual tricks. Helmut Marko is living up to his name, someone needs to knock this clown down a peg or two!


What are Mercedes looking for here though? I hate Helmut and Redbull's toxicity as much as the next person, but we can't start punishing teams for the actions of online social media trolls and people making death threats, even if it was sparked by the opinion of a Redbull person. They've only said that they thought he let him through. Toxic yes. Disgusting to suggest it yes. Incorrect yes. Bait yes. Redbull yes. But so what? We see arguments and comments all the time from people in sport. Redbull probably love the attention. Just ignore them.
 
Sigh. The reason they won the WCC ages ago was because they have two excellent drivers that had been swapping wins and podiums all season. That's what wins you a WCC midway through the season. Maybe RB should take note?
They have 2 above average drivers (relative to the current grid), average team management and the best car on the grid. Should've won it a couple races earlier, especially since they were against a team with 1 driver, a team with a rookie, and Ferrari.
 
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