He probably needs to go, but I don’t see Berrada and co doing that any time soon. If/when we’re in the lower half of the table at the end of the season, maybe there might be something. Least the signings won’t solely be ‘for the manager’ but for the club.
Poll: AmorOut - Who next?
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If we don't beat Wolves comfortably then he should go. They are bottom of the league with....2 points. If we don't get a result against them we will have drawn with third bottom, lost to Everton who had 10 men and were there for the taking and not got a result against a team who are currently set to finish the season on 5.4 points.
They ain't getting rid of him anytime soon. Whether thats right or wrong only time will tell but barring a disaster (15th again) he's getting the season. Suck it up guys
its more of the same coming!
This is the critical point for me. The manager is there to help the players perform better as a team. He’s doing the opposite IMO and has been for over a year now.
Buying more elite players would result in an improvement regardless of the manager - the manager has to bring something to the table too.
I don't think he should go yet. I think we have to back him with another two transfer windows to sort the midfield and wing backs.
The league is competitive and every team is struggling for consistency. I find his inflexibility frustrating, but it's not like it's a surprise. Just backing out now before he's actually got the players to play his system isn't going to take the club forward imo.
We've got some good players that don't fit the system that we should offload while they're of value, to bring in replacements. Mainoo, Bruno, Amad, Dalot should go and all should fetch a decent fee.
I don't think there's any chance Amorin goes unless we end up hovering above the relegation zone anyway.
The league is competitive and every team is struggling for consistency. I find his inflexibility frustrating, but it's not like it's a surprise. Just backing out now before he's actually got the players to play his system isn't going to take the club forward imo.
We've got some good players that don't fit the system that we should offload while they're of value, to bring in replacements. Mainoo, Bruno, Amad, Dalot should go and all should fetch a decent fee.
I don't think there's any chance Amorin goes unless we end up hovering above the relegation zone anyway.
Are we struggling for consistency though? I would suggest that we are consistently crap outside of the very odd game. Chelsea are inconsistent but brilliant some games, good in others and occasionally poor. Man City are inconsistent but brilliant some games, good in others and occasionally poor.
How would you summarise our inconsistency?
About the same as every other club from 4th to 14th.
8th, 6th on a good day is the reality of this squad. Kind of embarrassing given the money spent on transfers and wages. The evidence is our place in the league after 14 matches (>1/3 of the season). Which incidentally is 2 points better than last season.
Its not about the finishing position or league position. Thats a reflection of the teams around you as much as it is your own results up to a point. I think these players are capable of playing far better as a team than they are. Thats the issue. Thats the core problem. Results are much of a muchness when you are building towards something. What you should be considering is your trajectory. How you play. How you are improving. How things are developing.
By any measure, things aren't improving when it comes to how we play. Its not positive. Its not the odd blip. Its not playing well and not getting the results we perhaps should. Its playing ****. Its game after game playing **** against poor opposition and as usual, hoping that something works out for us. Yesterday we relied on a deflection and then a scuffed finish from a player who almost never finds himself in those positions. We relied on a large slice of luck to draw with a bloody awful WH team.
Thats results wise hence why I was referencing those teams actual performances. Others teams are blowing hot and cold and getting mixed results. Are we blowing hot? When was the last game we came away and said, "damn, we absolutely dominated that team. They were lucky it wasn't 2 or 3 more." We blow cold and lukewarm.
Our manager was sacked last season for similar form and performances.
Amorim seems to have the thickest of plot armours. We are doing exactly the same thing we have done season after season. Manager after manager. Thinking that magically things will go from a 5/10 to an 8 or a 9 out of 10 for absolutely no reason. Thinking that a manager that isn't getting anything from his players just needs a few more players and things will magically change. It doesn't happen like that. It never has done. Arteta is the best example of a manager who has taken a team from somewhere approaching our predicament to the top. He never spent seasons going absolutely nowhere good or without showing strong signs of improvement albeit erratically.
It's no different to any other team. Luck generally evens out. By the same measure you could recount every time we lost goals to teams that had like 0.1xg. As I've said before. We have struggled to break the low block for a decade not just under this coach.
I think this is where confidence is so important. Even when we've played well we haven't put teams away and we still miss too many chances. Players are anxious and that makes them erratic. You can see it in the misses from Cunha, Bruno and Mbeumo. Often times there is a pass but they panic and go for glory. Problem is that we haven't strung together 2/3 good performances to build that confidence. Is that down to Amorim? I bet they are great in training. I admit I am seduced by his charm and honesty and that's why I'd rather stick with him and get rid of some more players who just aren't good enough.
I think this is honestly the only reason he is still in a job. I was very much of the same view until we got into this season properly. There does come a point though where you can't **** in a mans cornflakes and tell him it will eventually taste nice even though you have a nice Portuguese accent.
I think that's the key point. Even under ETH i think you could see the odd game where the stars aligned and we won 4-0. I don't remember a time we've managed that under Amorim except at the very beginning against Everton
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Most of the players are past their peak. So it's only really players like Heaven, Yoro, Dalot, Dorgu, Diallo, Zirkzee that he can potentially improve and all evidence suggests they aren't good enough if you want to be fighting for European spots. You could probably rule Heaven out of that as he's only played a couple of times, so can't make any real judgement no him. The Mainoo thing is a bit bizarre though.
How often do teams consistently get better results than the sum of their parts over a season? It's few and far between and never really last longer than a season.
All the time. Thats literally what most managers in the league have to do. They haven't got squads anything like as expensive as the top teams so they have to make up for that with tactics, game management etc. You have to consider that at some point, the improvements you have made to your team via the tactics are baked into expectations. That doesn't mean a manager isn't still elevating those players. It just means they have got close to the ceiling of those players and that further improvements require new personnel.
It goes both ways. If a team does really well one season and poorly the next with the same players, have those players magically got worse? Its very hard to untangle the two unfortunately. .
He could be Anfield bound the way things are going over there….Not long now until the gift of Gareth arrives at Old Trafford for Xmas.