Mass shooting at Bondi beach Australia

DJMK4 · 15 Dec 2025 at 11:13

People do realise that shotguns, bolt action rimfire and centrefire rifles exist in the UK yeh ? for use with fieldsports and hunting

Its the people behind the guns that are the harm,

Nice work for the guy that disarmed the shooter

good for him

Hagar · 15 Dec 2025 at 11:16

jpaul said:
the ex members of UK jewish deputies evidently felt that not speaking out against the regime was immoral , and that they had some leverage.

However your argument is poor, if every jew in the world spoke out against events in Gaza, this shooting still would have happened, mental health etc. I am going no further as I don't want the thread closed on political grounds.

Uther · 15 Dec 2025 at 11:56

So apparently the son 'was known to security agencies and investigated over his links to certain associates...' :rolleyes:

Two police officers amongst the injured too.

Diddums · 15 Dec 2025 at 12:15

I'm not sure what the point is in focusing on the gun laws. Australia banned guns after Port Arthur and their firearms crime fell off a cliff. This has nothing to do with guns, it's an ideology. These dudes would've done damage regardless of what type of weapon they used, as evidenced by the "bomb" found in the car.

Murphy · 15 Dec 2025 at 12:21

DJMK4 said:
Its the people behind the guns that are the harm

If you don't want to put restrictions on the amount and type of people in the world then putting restrictions on the thing that makes causing harm easy and more efficient seems like a reasonable compromise to me.

Dis86 · 15 Dec 2025 at 12:22

Uther said:
So apparently the son 'was known to security agencies and investigated over his links to certain associates...'
Two police officers amongst the injured too.

Standard. Know there's a risk and do nothing about it.

Dis86 · 15 Dec 2025 at 12:24

Diddums said:
I'm not sure what the point is in focusing on the gun laws. Australia banned guns after Port Arthur and their firearms crime fell off a cliff. This has nothing to do with guns, it's an ideology. These dudes would've done damage regardless of what type of weapon they used, as evidenced by the "bomb" found in the car.

Exactly what i said earlier in the thread. These things aren't crimes of passion. Theyre planned and prepared. If they dont have guns they'll use knives, bombs, cars, lorries.

DJMK4 · 15 Dec 2025 at 12:38

Murphy said:
If you don't want to put restrictions on the amount and type of people in the world then putting restrictions on the thing that makes causing harm easy and more efficient seems like a reasonable compromise to me.

Sorry I dont agree here

First off, i have not had a look, but was this an automatic weapon the guys were using? if it was, then yes, i am all for a ban of automatic weapons, there is no requirement for them

Banning shotguns and manual bolt action rifles - taking away a potential heratage of people who enjoy fieldsports such as target shooting, hunting game, etc, no.

More vigorous background checks and more frequent checks? yes, - why did these people have any form of gun ownership? they should not have. Have I also read they are previous offenders?

I am an ex field sports person and person who used to enjoy back in the day field target shooting and hunting. Taking away something that others enjoy because of a minority of people who by the looks have sworn aliance to IS. Isnt going to stop anyone from doing harm , pretty sure they will move on to other weapons, like knifes and maybe detonation devices if they wanted to do harm.

iGiDK · 15 Dec 2025 at 12:55

DJMK4 said:
Nice work for the guy that disarmed the shooter

good for him

It's a remarkable and selfless act of courage, the guy is an absolute hero but I really do fear the amount of abuse and threats this guy and his family are going to face it's such a sad state this world is in

DJMK4 · 15 Dec 2025 at 12:59

iGiDK said:
It's a remarkable and selfless act of courage, the guy is an absolute hero but I really do fear the amount of abuse and threats this guy and his family are going to face it's such a sad state this world is in

To be honest you cant really identify him in the video the guy that took the gun however, i do bet he was hounded by the press as they would want to know who it was , , IMO i do agree with the statement above,

he should be recognised as a hero, but at the same time he should also be asked if he wants his identity revealed, given the nature, if this is indeed a terrorist movivated attack, i would want my identity not published to the public for the sake of protection. it really depends on the person, he may want it published ,

I could only imagine the news and media outlets were all over him after though

throwaway4372 · 15 Dec 2025 at 13:06

He's got a gofundme with a million quid in it, can't have it both ways.

Goksly · 15 Dec 2025 at 13:06

Dis86 said:
Standard. Know there's a risk and do nothing about it.

What should they have done? There are 100s if not 1000s of people "known" to security here in the UK. We don't know the detail as to why they were known - but you can't expect the state to cover every eventuality.

Murphy · 15 Dec 2025 at 13:08

DJMK4 said:
Banning shotguns and manual bolt action rifles - taking away a potential heratage of people who enjoy fieldsports such as target shooting, hunting game, etc, no.

Who said anything about "taking away a potential heratage" (not sure I'd call it that but whatever)? People who want to enjoy fieldsports such as target shooting, hunting game can still do that, they just need a license that comes with certain requirements like checking the person understands and follows proper gun safety, isn't mentally unstable, etc, etc.

I know what your retort is going to be, that such licencing doesn't stop someone going on a killing spree but that's not the argument being put forward, the argument being put forward is that it makes going on a killing spree less likely.

jaybee · 15 Dec 2025 at 13:09

I don't really understand shootings like this if the aim is to inflict as many casualties as possible. After X time, the shooter/s are going to get stopped, likely killed. I know they had active IEDs as well, but why would you not just go to a very crowded, tightly packed place and detonate it. Is the shooting of a gun to kill part of the thrill for them, or to tick some religious box or ideology specifically? I'm just trying to get in the head space of these cowards I guess.

DJMK4 · 15 Dec 2025 at 13:14

Murphy said:
Who said anything about "taking away a potential heratage" (not sure I'd call it that but whatever)? People who want to enjoy fieldsports such as target shooting, hunting game can still do that, they just need a license that comes with certain requirements like checking the person understands and follows proper gun safety, isn't mentally unstable, etc, etc.

I know what your retort is going to be, that such licencing doesn't stop someone going on a killing spree but that's not the argument being put forward, the argument being put forward is that it makes going on a killing spree less likely.

Im not sure on the gun laws in australia, but i assume its not like the US where you can just walk in to a shop, no licence and a very very quick "check"

The UK requires shot gun certs and also firearm licencing for shotguns and manual bolt action rifles, checks are done by specialist police department members of staff which are known as FEOs , who deal with the publics registration of certificicates and checks during the lifetime of ownership.

The issue seems to be that not enough refrequrnt re-checks are done, not sure what its like in other countries, but it differs from country to country and different countries will have different ways of administering ownership, they may not always follow the same suite.

Also, authorties seem to have this thing about not locking up nut jobs, or, releasing them if they have "done a bit of time" but are not rehabilitated and are still a threat

Dis86 · 15 Dec 2025 at 13:17

Goksly said:
What should they have done? There are 100s if not 1000s of people "known" to security here in the UK. We don't know the detail as to why they were known - but you can't expect the state to cover every eventuality.

Im not a national security advisor. However it is a frequent trend that ALL of the attacks these days we hear that same line, 'known to security agencies'.

DJMK4 · 15 Dec 2025 at 13:21

Dis86 said:
Im not a national security advisor. However it is a frequent trend that ALL of the attacks these days we hear that same line, 'known to security agencies'.

Pretty much!

Purgatory · 15 Dec 2025 at 13:29

This is one of the most disgusting thing I have seen in my life, father and son carry out murder on innocent random people. Seriously what is going on in the world that such disgusting events even happen now. Lost for words really. :mad:

R.I.P to all the poor people that were out to enjoy themselves and their families and this is the sick outcome. Enough now of this horrible behaviours and enough wars and pointless loss of life.

This whole event disturb the hell out of me yesterday and then finding out was father and son just was the cherry on top that made this whole event even more horrific.

Just want to add there was only one thing that came out of it, is there is still people trying to do the right thing and that gives me some hope that more people stand up to such sick people. The guy was an angel that wrestled the shooter and took his weapon and was so sorry to hear he also got shot in the arm and hand, but I’m sure that sacrifice to him was worth what he did. Wishing him the best wishes and hope he gets well soon and this whole event doesn't mess him up.

I wish people would just get on and look out for each other and stop doing horrific things to each other.

redeye · 15 Dec 2025 at 13:43

Hagar said:
No they should not, it is not their government unless they are Israeli citizens. Being Jewish does not make you responsible for the ills of a regime.

That is of course correct, unfortunately however Bibi has spent the last 20 years deliberately trying to build a narrative that the Israeli government and it's actions = all Jews everywhere. Therefore you cannot possibly critise anything the government does without being Antisemitic and against all Jews. A deliberate act, specifically designed to allow him and hard right politicans in Israel to be able to shout Antisemite at anyone and any institution that says what Israel as a country/ government has done is wrong. So they have an excuse at every turn to do whatever they want.

I'm an atheist, as such I abore anyone using any Relgion as an excuse for anything, nor do I care that people think they are superior (due to their Religion) or have more "historical rights" to land written in some book. I only care what those in power do to people who have none. That applies to governments and people with guns who are brainwashed / have a screw loose / been indoctrinated.

dowie · 15 Dec 2025 at 14:07

Uther said:
So apparently the son 'was known to security agencies and investigated over his links to certain associates...'
Two police officers amongst the injured too.

Gotta wonder if either of the shotgun or rifle was in his name - rather worrying if he was known to have links to dodgy groups and yet still able to maintain a shotgun or rifle licence, if anything it should probably have disqualified anyone in his household.

Diddums said:
I'm not sure what the point is in focusing on the gun laws. Australia banned guns after Port Arthur and their firearms crime fell off a cliff. This has nothing to do with guns, it's an ideology. These dudes would've done damage regardless of what type of weapon they used, as evidenced by the "bomb" found in the car.

They banned semi-automatic weapons - this shooting could've easily been a lot worse if they hadn't had those restrictions.