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I’ve had an awakening, I realised if I knew what most of the EV users had before their EV I wouldn’t have even considered talking cars with them.

Oh please tell me more about your Vectra LSi diesel rep
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That said atleast cars exist, could be arguing about who has the best imaginary friend - sorry religion.
I had a a few hot hatches, a Mitsubishi Evo and then a 3 series, 5 series and E class estate, prior to getting on the EV bandwagon

Where does that put me? ;)
 
I can’t see pubs and restaurants installing a load of chargers anyway given most of their customers will be local and will have other charging arrangements. Perhaps 10% of the car park by 2040 seems reasonable.

As to why they’d do it? Seems obvious to me, additional revenue stream.
The model usually works like this:
  • Pub (usually pub chain with 10 or 100s of sites) tenders out the opportunity to put chargers in pub car parks
  • CPOs take a look at the sites and bid for the opportunity
  • Pub landlords don't shell out anything and collect rent for allowing charging in the car park
  • CPO installs chargers in good locations that have enough passing traffic and cheap enough grid connections
So pubs are dead keen for loads of chargers, seeing as it's additional rent for no cost... the limitation is usually demand or grid and that is determined by the CPO or DNO not the pub/restaurant. Given the above, you'd think that once EVs penetrate the market more, CPOs will be racing to put more EV spaces at pubs subject to grid connections allowing.
 
Finding my charging speeds are abysmal now the weather is colder, charged a few times at rapid chargers near me (therefore battery not able to get up to optimum temp) and I'm getting 15-20kW most of the time, even after an hour or so. It's a bit frustrating, but hopefully on my drive up to Aberdeenshire next week the battery is able to precondition properly when I need to stop for a break and a charge.
 
This started as going to pub lunch with family needing an AC charger
Added visiting distant family in a pub
Added to driving from remote area to said pub
Pub is now a pitstop on a much longer journey.
Journey time escalating to 2.5hr now 5hrs+

I'm out.

You're mixing up scenarios from multiple posters, mine has always been the pitstop on a much longer journey.

You're also focussing too much on the minor details and missing the overall point; a <insert place here> with good charging provision is going to be far more attractive to EV drivers as a stopping point on a <insert number of hours> hour journey than a <insert place here> without.

Given the number of EVs is ever increasing, then (all else being equal) those businesses which rely on passing trade from drivers on long journeys and don't install charging, are going to miss out vs those which do.
 
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Best feature on my new born is the charge available at that moment. Screen also has Battery temp and the button to heat if needed - with time to hit temp (although it does draw 6.5kW). However rarely need it

Did show 175kw after 3 hours of motorway anyway and 97% battery temp.
 
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My much loved Skoda Yeti is over 10 years and 108k miles old and thoughts are turning to an EV replacement. However, I'm after a small SUV with reasonable ground clearance, AWD and V2L. The shortlist is very short!
The Renault 4 looks good - but no AWD version (yet?)
The Suzuki e Vitara might work - but no V2L
The Volvo EX30 Cross Country might be perfect but no V2L

What else? The Hyundai IONIQ 5 has the AWD and V2L, but only 160mm ground clearance, MG4 XPOWER even lower. The MGS5 is only RWD.

Which leaves just the Smart #1 BRABUS, AWD, 182mm clearance and V2L (same as the EX30 underneath?). Anyone here got one?
 
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The Hyundai IONIQ 5 has the AWD and V2L, but only 160mm ground clearance

I'm not sure about the UK market as I've not bothered looking into it but I heard there is a version of it with higher ground clearance - living in a rural area I keep half an ear on things like that.
 
Finding my charging speeds are abysmal now the weather is colder, charged a few times at rapid chargers near me (therefore battery not able to get up to optimum temp) and I'm getting 15-20kW most of the time, even after an hour or so. It's a bit frustrating, but hopefully on my drive up to Aberdeenshire next week the battery is able to precondition properly when I need to stop for a break and a charge.
R5?

You need to use the sat nav in the car to navigate to a charger, then it will precondition the battery and it should give you a faster charge rate.

You can't use android auto for the navigation.
 
R5?

You need to use the sat nav in the car to navigate to a charger, then it will precondition the battery and it should give you a faster charge rate.

You can't use android auto for the navigation.
I know, but when charging locally it doesn't have enough time to precondition, and seemingly even after nearly an hour on charge the rate didn't improve.
 
Replying to myself for the folks above who may have not seen it. 180 destination chargers, in one car park.
Yeah I saw it. I agree with Simon in that it seems disproportionate for the current need. Getting the supply in and terminating it now then phasing in more points as demand dictates would make more sense. Yes, probably more expensive overall but it's a transition that we are in.

Also a car park serving shoppers and commuters is going to have a higher proportion of local traffic, therefore reducing the need for charging versus somewhere like a hotel.

Let's not forget that a charging spot is still out of bounds for an EV that doesn't require charging.

Reminds me of my last trip to Wells-next-the-sea on a sunny Saturday afternoon. My backup plan if I couldn't get a spot was to stick it on a charging bay and top up the battery. There is one advantage of a PHEV for you, backup parking spaces if needed...

Luckily I found a space so avoided the unnecessary expense.
 
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Yeah I saw it. I agree with Simon in that it seems disproportionate for the current need. Getting the supply in and terminating it now then phasing in more points as demand dictates would make more sense. Yes, probably more expensive overall but it's a transition that we are in.

Also a car park serving shoppers and commuters is going to have a higher proportion of local traffic, therefore reducing the need for charging versus somewhere like a hotel.

Let's not forget that a charging spot is still out of bounds for an EV that doesn't require charging.

Reminds me of my last trip to Wells-next-the-sea on a sunny Saturday afternoon. My backup plan if I couldn't get a spot was to stick it on a charging bay and top up the battery. There is one advantage of a PHEV for you, backup parking spaces if needed...

Luckily I found a space so avoided the unnecessary expense.
I’ll have to use you more so he can read my points
 
Getting the supply in and terminating it now then phasing in more points as demand dictates would make more sense. Yes, probably more expensive overall but it's a transition that we are in.
It's a weird situation for a council who are forward looking, on one hand we have people screaming for infrastructure to allow the transition to EV's, and on the other people want it piecemeal and don't want money wasted - its almost like you can't win.
Also a car park serving shoppers and commuters is going to have a higher proportion of local traffic, therefore reducing the need for charging versus somewhere like a hotel.
Its a catch all though, as people who may go shopping/day out, or stay in hotel in city centre (lots there) - there will still be lots of demand for them - well if they don't charge like 349ppkWh, plus parking charges.

Let's not forget that a charging spot is still out of bounds for an EV that doesn't require charging
Which is why I think they should just allow people to use most of them as normal spaces for now, and ear mark more as dedicated charge 'capable bays' every year.

Personally I think it shows what is possible in a city centre, and not stuck on the outskirts of a town or in a shopping park etc. There are lots of flats and houses in city centres as well, so for other authorities that may struggle with off-street parking and charging for residents this could be a good option. At the end of the day it's a plug socket, it shouldn't be hard, or convoluted, or even politicised - leaving all options on the table for now is a good thing, we'll shake out over time what works and doesn't work. You only need to look at what happened with the railways after the rise of the motor vehicles and trucks, lots of previously used infrastructure was just closed off, shutdown or abandoned - we might end up with far too many charge points/sockets and they may never be used, and just gather cobwebs, or we may all end up using hydrogen cars, who knows, only time will tell.
 
Can’t remember when I went shopping 15 miles away with a 200-300mile battery and thought I needed to charge at a higher rate than home

180 spaces being made useless is stupid. Then to say open them to none EV is even more ridiculous as then the few people who want to charge won’t be able to as they will be occupied.
 
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I'm not sure about the UK market as I've not bothered looking into it but I heard there is a version of it with higher ground clearance - living in a rural area I keep half an ear on things like that.
There isn’t. So what have you been smoking? Make your mind up, not bothered, had heard half an ear. What value was that post?
 
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My much loved Skoda Yeti is over 10 years and 108k miles old and thoughts are turning to an EV replacement. However, I'm after a small SUV with reasonable ground clearance, AWD and V2L. The shortlist is very short!
The Renault 4 looks good - but no AWD version (yet?)
The Suzuki e Vitara might work - but no V2L
The Volvo EX30 Cross Country might be perfect but no V2L

What else? The Hyundai IONIQ 5 has the AWD and V2L, but only 160mm ground clearance, MG4 XPOWER even lower. The MGS5 is only RWD.

Which leaves just the Smart #1 BRABUS, AWD, 182mm clearance and V2L (same as the EX30 underneath?). Anyone here got one?

Pug e5008? 189mm clearance, AWD version available, and V2L?

Suppose it depends what you want to spend really. - Oh you said small - Hah this is not small.
 
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