There's more than 1 clutch-ing here.
Your bad driving encounters/irritations
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Granny shifting. Not double clutching like you shouldThere's more than 1 clutch-ing here.
Sunday/holiday season drivers.
Took me 3 hours to make what is usually a ~1.5 hour drive home from Thetford today, several irritations but the key one for me today was...rubberneckers.
20 minute delay on the M11 southbound due to a car accident. When I arrived at said accident, it was a vehicle up the bank on the other carriageway. Nothing at all on the southbound side. A huge tailback caused by nothing other than gormless ***** slowing down to gawp at an accident that has no affect on them whatsoever. I now support upgrading all central reservations to 3 metre high barriers you cant see through, to stop rubbernecking.
20 minute delay on the M11 southbound due to a car accident. When I arrived at said accident, it was a vehicle up the bank on the other carriageway. Nothing at all on the southbound side. A huge tailback caused by nothing other than gormless ***** slowing down to gawp at an accident that has no affect on them whatsoever. I now support upgrading all central reservations to 3 metre high barriers you cant see through, to stop rubbernecking.
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I found a really good graph, as I say not many people mention it when buying EVs, but it's pretty obvious when you've owned one for a while and I don't like it. If a petrol or diesel car lost a third of it's power due to the tank being empty there would be outrage. I know it's the nature of batteries, but there are ways around it.
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But there's no outrage when an ice vehicle ages and loses bhp forever, each has its own bugs and features.I found a really good graph, as I say not many people mention it when buying EVs, but it's pretty obvious when you've owned one for a while and I don't like it. If a petrol or diesel car lost a third of it's power due to the tank being empty there would be outrage. I know it's the nature of batteries, but there are ways around it.
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I found a really good graph, as I say not many people mention it when buying EVs, but it's pretty obvious when you've owned one for a while and I don't like it. If a petrol or diesel car lost a third of it's power due to the tank being empty there would be outrage. I know it's the nature of batteries, but there are ways around it.
The “legacy” automakers deal with this better than tesla
In my experience.
Yeah. My Born doesn’t limit power that much, it limits the length of time you have that power. So in essence I have noticed no difference in doing a rapid overtake manoeuvre regardless of battery SoC. I haven’t been lower than 20% to be fair.
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A theme I’m starting to notice more - on Christmas Eve, I drove to the local town to pick up a domino’s pizza. I live in the sticks, come out of the 30MPH limit of the village and then you’re immediately on NSL A roads.
I was in the Kia, on my way back and the route goes through another 30MPh limit and before that, NSL. I note before the village, I’m gaining on a small Hyundai with a roof box.
Entering the village, I slow down to 30, and he seemingly is losing me, as we come out of the village, back to NSL I accelerate and catch him back up, at this point I’ve determined he’s a “I do 40 everywhere”
It’s clear, so I over take, all done safely and swiftly, but heres’s what I’m noticing more, as I pulled back onto my side of the road, he flicks his main beam lights off, then back on and leaves them on, almost like he’s trying to punish me for daring to overtake him. Fortunately the Kia has a dimming mirror, and I may have put my foot down a bit more and pulled away so that I couldn’t see him anymore.
Either be aware of your surroundings and do the speed limit, or accept that if you don’t, people will over take you and stop trying to blind them with your lights, you utter moron.
I was in the Kia, on my way back and the route goes through another 30MPh limit and before that, NSL. I note before the village, I’m gaining on a small Hyundai with a roof box.
Entering the village, I slow down to 30, and he seemingly is losing me, as we come out of the village, back to NSL I accelerate and catch him back up, at this point I’ve determined he’s a “I do 40 everywhere”
It’s clear, so I over take, all done safely and swiftly, but heres’s what I’m noticing more, as I pulled back onto my side of the road, he flicks his main beam lights off, then back on and leaves them on, almost like he’s trying to punish me for daring to overtake him. Fortunately the Kia has a dimming mirror, and I may have put my foot down a bit more and pulled away so that I couldn’t see him anymore.
Either be aware of your surroundings and do the speed limit, or accept that if you don’t, people will over take you and stop trying to blind them with your lights, you utter moron.
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But that is largely a slow decline in power overall. The "outrage" for me is not that the older cars lose power from brand new. The "outrage" would be putting the foot down to make an overtake only to find that the car has lost a significant part of its power purely due to the battery level. Its a potential safety issue.
When an ICE car loses power as it ages, the overtake is not affected in the same manner e.g. travel 200 miles in both cars - the ICE overtakes the same throughout its journey, the EV does not. If we go by that chart for the Tesla and start an overtake at 50MPH, you have lost 15% of your torque from a full charge vs 45% charge... That's significant if you expect the full power and it suddenly isn't there.
EDIT: I read @ICDP post after replying - It may only affect some makes?
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But who drives around in the peak torque curve, no one.
If you're out of the max torque curve then changing a gear probably takes longer than an ev at a lower soc.
Horses for courses.
You missed my point. I, perhaps didnt word it correctly.
If I go to overtake in an ICE car, the acceleration doesn't change dependant on how much fuel is in the tank (for the pedants - it might be insignificantly slower on a full tank vs quorater full tank due to weight)
If I go to overtake in an EV car, the acceleration may be different simply based on how much charge is in the battery.
I am simply arguing this on the basis of road safety.
I would have no issue driving an EV and I have driven and been driven in them on lots of occasions. I think they are great cars. This is not a "I hate EVs so I will **** them off whenever I can" type of post. I do, however, seem to find that EV owners can be quite defensive if anyone brings up negatives to an EV car which I find bizarre. More so when EV owners like to do similar to ICE owners.
Both ICE and EVs have their advantages and disadvantages.
Richie is correct, some EVs such as Tesla (unless they have changed it recently) have a very different throttle response at lower SoC. They limit actual available power entirely at lower SoC.
Other manufacturers still give you almost total power but for maybe 3 seconds instead of 15 seconds. Those 3 seconds at full power are enough for a rapid overtake.
I’m not saying this makes Tesla’s dangerous, just different.
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To be fair some ICEs will modulate power when cold and even in my automatics which are usually extremely quick to find the power occasionally, fortunately rarely, I've put my foot down and just got a lot of revs and a lot less than expected power delivery until I've manually kicked down.
Walking the dogs this morning, and I turned into a side road just as a small van rolled up to the give way line. I happened to look into the cockpit and could see the driver was holding what looked like a can of beer between his knees. The mind boggles.
It could have been a can of energy drink.
Open alcohol isn't allowed on buses and even I've had to look twice at some cans of energy drinks to make sure it wasn't beer.
When I was living in London it was a well known/done thing of younger [adult] people having cider in apple juice bottles on a weekend night on public transport - a bit desperate in my book / says someone has a problem :s
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That seems a better way of doing it. I wonder if it's an issue with the amount of power, for instance the i5n being comparable, if that does it differently. The other thing is I don't know if Tesla use different batteries, although I wonder if some sort of large capacitor would alleviate the issue.
I love it when people thank you for pulling over to lane 2 so they can merge at a slip road by exactly matching your speed and sitting perfectly level with your car.
I especially like it when they then match any slight increase/decrease in speed to try and either pull in behind or pull in front.
I like it the best when this is paired with some twonk who merged behind said car who is now pinned 2.4mm from your rear bumper.
I especially like it when they then match any slight increase/decrease in speed to try and either pull in behind or pull in front.
I like it the best when this is paired with some twonk who merged behind said car who is now pinned 2.4mm from your rear bumper.