Is this the future - Subscription Games and Computers ??
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if that works for you thats totally fine, and legit.
there are indeed legit reasosn why its usfull.
a good example is not having the space for a full system, or being on the road a lot.
a simple Quest 3/laptop with wired controller could be space saving
or simply not having spare capital for a replacement machine
Although if companies hoover up all of the hardware it prices people out of owning their own systems.
Some are hoarding it without using it.
In that sense, yes you can blame companies if consumers aren't left with an alternative.
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So we should blame @Nexus18
Lets put it this way, I'll sooner pay for a geforce now sub than go to a "gaming" system that has inferior upscaling, frame gen, ray/path tracing iq and perf (including ray reconstruction). That's what the funny thing is people say geforce now has too much latency yet ironically, it also has less latency than most pc gaming systems as the lesser gaming systems get less fps and some even get significantly less fps which means higher latency... (of course, your internet is key but I have good internet so non issue for me
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Lets put it this way, I'll sooner pay for a geforce now sub than go to a "gaming" system that has inferior upscaling, frame gen, ray/path tracing iq and perf (including ray reconstruction). That's what the funny thing is people say geforce now has too much latency yet ironically, it also has less latency than most pc gaming systems as the lesser gaming systems get less fps and some even get significantly less fps which means higher latency... (of course, your internet is key but I have good internet so non issue for me
If your internet is down, which one has higher latency then
I will just wait until my internet comes back
That or hotspot to either my personal phone or work phone.Thankfully is very rare (when was on virgin) and not had an issue with sky since having it for over a year. Think when it was down, it was restored very quick too.
Future seems pretty grim when you look at how things are falling into place, it's alright saying we'll have are own hardware now to keep going on, but realistically for how long when nothing new is being made for consumers?
Existing parts will lose support and become obsolete in time, probably even with some planned obeselesence in there for good measure. And when they do fail, sourcing a suitable replacement is going to be expensive.
This will just go the same way as any other subscription model, year on year increases, extra costs tacked on in any place they can think of and a drive to make the low tier offerings crap to force up selling. I can imagine a few areas where they could employ some serious scummy practices in the future. It will cost an extortionate amount once they get going and the market is theirs, like how TV/Broadband packages can go out of control.
Existing parts will lose support and become obsolete in time, probably even with some planned obeselesence in there for good measure. And when they do fail, sourcing a suitable replacement is going to be expensive.
This will just go the same way as any other subscription model, year on year increases, extra costs tacked on in any place they can think of and a drive to make the low tier offerings crap to force up selling. I can imagine a few areas where they could employ some serious scummy practices in the future. It will cost an extortionate amount once they get going and the market is theirs, like how TV/Broadband packages can go out of control.
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At the end of the day there are alternatives to the AAA crap that studios are trying to tell you all you need to keep buying.. if gaming goes the same way as TV, i.e. subscription only.. then there will be a lot of very dissapointed and out of a job gaming people..
It's already happening with TV.. people cancelling in their droves as the value proposition is just not there.. (or just subscribing for a few months to watch what they want then cancel again!) .. if the gaming companies believe this is their future they are in for a rude awakening..
A lot of gamers who play PC games are older.. having got into gaming in the 80's and 90's.. and they also have a lot of other things that can take their time / money.. if gaming companies do go subs only.. they will find themselves on the wrong end of people choosing other things to do...
Everyone saying they love streaming gaming, how do you think that works when there is more than one gamer in the house??? do you have the interent to support 2? 3? gamers that want high FPS and full grfxs???
It will be an interesting few years.. but I feel that if it's tried as a "this is the only way to play XX game" then they will quickly find.. they are the ones who lose.. Look what's happening with console exclusives.. they have pretty much disappeared as they tried to force people into an ecosystem to play certain games.. and gamers just said.. hell no.. I just won't play.. not everyone has massive FOMO... especially when they all try their own exclusives and it costs too much.. which is what the subs model would be..
It's like people saying my 4070 can't play XX in 4k with all the bells.. and I can't afford a 5090 to do so.. ..... simples.. get a 2k monitor.. and enjoy the game again.. if it's about visuals.. then ur out of luck.. if it's about gaming.. then chill and enjoy at 1080p baby..
././... apols for the rambling post.. been out for a boozy lunch
Yeah.. I don't sub to streaming sites, I'm not going to sub to a games library. I was tempted a couiple of times to get MS but in the end I didn't bother. I just don't have the time, maybe when I've retired I would reconsider. I've pretty much fallen out of love with most gaming. Whether that's down to quality or not is another debate. I'm more interested in trying new hobbies now.
been here few times before with ram and storage shortage before, there is always availability, at a price, prices eventually come back down, so not a bar on ownership, its either pay silly price or wait it out. i always wait it out, as poor
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At the end of the day there are alternatives to the AAA crap that studios are trying to tell you all you need to keep buying.. if gaming goes the same way as TV, i.e. subscription only.. then there will be a lot of very dissapointed and out of a job gaming people..
It's already happening with TV.. people cancelling in their droves as the value proposition is just not there.. (or just subscribing for a few months to watch what they want then cancel again!) .. if the gaming companies believe this is their future they are in for a rude awakening..
A lot of gamers who play PC games are older.. having got into gaming in the 80's and 90's.. and they also have a lot of other things that can take their time / money.. if gaming companies do go subs only.. they will find themselves on the wrong end of people choosing other things to do...
Everyone saying they love streaming gaming, how do you think that works when there is more than one gamer in the house??? do you have the interent to support 2? 3? gamers that want high FPS and full grfxs???
It will be an interesting few years.. but I feel that if it's tried as a "this is the only way to play XX game" then they will quickly find.. they are the ones who lose.. Look what's happening with console exclusives.. they have pretty much disappeared as they tried to force people into an ecosystem to play certain games.. and gamers just said.. hell no.. I just won't play.. not everyone has massive FOMO... especially when they all try their own exclusives and it costs too much.. which is what the subs model would be..
It's like people saying my 4070 can't play XX in 4k with all the bells.. and I can't afford a 5090 to do so.. ..... simples.. get a 2k monitor.. and enjoy the game again.. if it's about visuals.. then ur out of luck.. if it's about gaming.. then chill and enjoy at 1080p baby..
././... apols for the rambling post.. been out for a boozy lunch
I agree with this, people stop paying for luxuries they minute the value proposition looks crap, or they simply don't have the money, streaming TV has failed a business model except for one company - Netflix. There's only so much money to go round. Look at live service games, there's a finite supply of people's money, people's time, and people's interest - 90% of these games completely flop, but they still keep making them. Like NF, there's a few market leaders and the rest have no chance.
Indie games you can play on a potatoe have proven not everyone cares about AAA titles with all the bombast and crappy RT etc - poeople can see it all for what it is, a shallow, expensive experieince often with terrible gameplay. My brother has just bought one of the new copies of the original sit down games machines, with a player sat at either side - it has about 50 old games on, 1942, 1943, Pac Man, DK, Space Invaders all the old classics, and a lot of them are better than most AAA slop released, they're just games and theyre just better at being games and being fun.
You sit down and you play it, and there's nothing on the screen you don't need to see, and no extraneuous pop ups and ********, no UI covering half the screen, nothing to take you out of the game, just a much better experience.
True enough, I think the only thing people don't stop buying is chocolate.been here few times before with ram and storage shortage before, there is always availability, at a price, prices eventually come back down, so not a bar on ownership, its either pay silly price or wait it out. i always wait it out, as poor
We'll have to see. It doesn't feel like this is a typical supply issue pushing up prices, it's only a supply issue as a few big companies are hoovering up masses of products.or causing firms (Micron) to ditch the consumer market to refocus.
The funny thing is you haven't owned most of your PC games for like 15 years at this point. People are too busy fellating a fat nerd with 15 yachts to realise that Steam has never been your friend.
All games should come with downloadable installers like GoG but I fear we're too far past that point that it's going to remain a standout feature of a more niche storefront. It's not as if it's hard to sail the high seas these days anyway, I highly doubt it would spark a major increase in piracy.
All games should come with downloadable installers like GoG but I fear we're too far past that point that it's going to remain a standout feature of a more niche storefront. It's not as if it's hard to sail the high seas these days anyway, I highly doubt it would spark a major increase in piracy.
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That's an entirely separate argument about digital ownership for games, and I don't think anyone is clueless about that.
Currently nobody is having to rent hardware to play Steam games. This isn't solely talking about digital ownership which isn't costing people a monthly subscription.
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I'd wager the vast majority of people are completely clueless to the fact that you don't own anything you buy digitally, actually.
I wouldn't call it an entirely separate argument either. Subscription/cloud gaming models feel like the natural progression from digital distribution. One gets you used to not owning a physical product and the other pulls the plug entirely.
Searching YT for vids about GFN is just depressing. There's a whole generation of young gamers out there who are lapping it up like it's the best thing ever. They have no hope of affording a high end rig and even if they could, they have such short attention spans that learning how to build a pc is just not something they want to do. This is a generation brought up on instant and easy access to everything.
Well we can't prove it either way so can agree to disagree.
Either way I'm apathetic to it, plenty of hardware and games about to keep me going. Wouldn't bother me if I had to stop altogether.