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How bad is the intel degradation issue really?

jigger said:
So in server use failures seem to start showing at around 4 months. So circa 2700 hours. At 90000 hours around half of the CPUs have become unserviceable.
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I assume you mean 9000 hours but none the less there was one company claiming that and while the 13th and 14th gen are not typical server CPUs there are enough companies using, or have used, them in server and render farm and similar applications that if they were routinely exhibiting a 50% failure rates at around a year or so it would be big news with dozens of verifiable companies kicking up a stink.

jigger said:
You haven’t backed up or disproved anything, ever… You keep claiming to have evidence and data, but when pressed to provide it you resort to lies. You live in Walter Mitty land.
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I have included multiple links to data and referred to sources which can be verified multiple times and it is all there in my past posts for people to see you are talking nonsense.
 
jigger said:
Yes you do…

Provide the data you claimed to have, otherwise I’ll file this as more garbage on the subject.
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As above I've linked to or referred to plenty of verifiable sources, unlike yourself - aside from repeating the Level1Techs claims which are not verified claims and when Gamers Nexus tried to approach those sources they wouldn't engage with them to do failure analysis hence GN going quiet on the subject.

Also don't forget I was the one talking about the vmin shift voltage behaviour when most were in the dark - and got shot down for it by people like Silent Scone before Intel confirmed it - and that information came from people I know operating/supporting large estates of 13th and 14th gen systems professionally.
 
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Rroff said:
As above I've linked to or referred to plenty of verifiable sources, unlike yourself - aside from repeating the Level1Techs claims which are not verified claims and when Gamers Nexus tried to approach those sources they wouldn't engage with them to do failure analysis hence GN going quiet on the subject.

Also don't forget I was the one talking about the vmin shift voltage behaviour when most were in the dark - and got shot down for it by people like Silent Scone before Intel confirmed it - and that information came from people I know operating/supporting large estates of 13th and 14th gen systems professionally.
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You claimed to be privy to data though work that proved you argument in the face of the facts. Produce the data or accept it never existed.

Anyway, complex aside, the issue with these Intel parts is very bad, they should be avoided like the plague.
 
jigger said:
You claimed to be privy to data though work that proved you argument in the face of the facts. Produce the data or accept it never existed.

Anyway, complex aside, the issue with these Intel parts is very bad, they should be avoided like the plague.
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After the OCuLink thread especially you really should pipe down before accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about or making things up, but I can see why you are sore.
 
Rroff said:
After the OCuLink thread especially you really should pipe down before accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about or making things up, but I can see why you are sore.
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It’s already been established you don’t know what you’re talking about, many times… I’m not sore at all, in fact I’m quite used to your tall tales. The issue is the OP may not be and in trying to judge how bad Intels issue is… well, he’s not going get any help from you…
 
jigger said:
It’s already been established you don’t know what you’re talking about, many times… I’m not sore at all, in fact I’m quite used to your tall tales. The issue is the OP may not be and in trying to judge how bad Intels issue is… well, he’s not going get any help from you…
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Ok...
 
jigger said:
So in server use failures seem to start showing at around 4 months. So circa 2700 hours. At 90000 hours around half of the CPUs have become unserviceable.
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That server CPUs - or even desktop CPUs used in DCs with server loads - also failed is smoking gun with all this.

Bad firmware, motherboard vendors to blame, desktop users abusing their CPUs, etc...

... Well the usual excuses from Intel do not explain a heavy failure rate in DC settings.

What I have suspected for a long is that internally Intel have a lot more info and they know it was a certain revision, certain fab, or a combination thereof, but that they also know it was 10s of millions of parts and a recall would have cost billions. So they barely acknowledged it and tried to bury it. That decision was not without cost of course as their reputation suffered a good bit. Someone probably did a cost-benefit on cost of that reputational.
 
KompuKare said:
That server CPUs - or even desktop CPUs used in DCs with server loads - also failed is smoking gun with all this.

Bad firmware, motherboard vendors to blame, desktop users abusing their CPUs, etc...

... Well the usual excuses from Intel do not explain a heavy failure rate in DC settings.

What I have suspected for a long is that internally Intel have a lot more info and they know it was a certain revision, certain fab, or a combination thereof, but that they also know it was 10s of millions of parts and a recall would have cost billions. So they barely acknowledged it and tried to bury it. That decision was not without cost of course as their reputation suffered a good bit. Someone probably did a cost-benefit on cost of that reputational.
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Aside from the unsubstantiated claim from Level1Techs I've not seen evidence of heavy failure rates in DCs, if anyone has fair enough but I know people to talk to from my days working at a GSP (Escaped Turkey) who aren't experiencing anything dramatic, if there was it would almost certainly kick up an actual stink from verified sources. Though 13th and 14th gen are less usual in a DC setting outside of specific applications.
 
KompuKare said:
That server CPUs - or even desktop CPUs used in DCs with server loads - also failed is smoking gun with all this.

Bad firmware, motherboard vendors to blame, desktop users abusing their CPUs, etc...

... Well the usual excuses from Intel do not explain a heavy failure rate in DC settings.

What I have suspected for a long is that internally Intel have a lot more info and they know it was a certain revision, certain fab, or a combination thereof, but that they also know it was 10s of millions of parts and a recall would have cost billions. So they barely acknowledged it and tried to bury it. That decision was not without cost of course as their reputation suffered a good bit. Someone probably did a cost-benefit on cost of that reputational.
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Intel was also blaming certain types of DRAM for the issues and become very hostile to customers even threatening legal action. The whole mess was horribly handled, but now at least Intel are honouring returns and not palming off the issue as someone else’s problem.
 
I wouldn’t even consider an Intel system just now unless it was dirt cheap. Even then I’d need to have a particular use case where AMD simply wasn’t an option.
 
Ryzen 5800X here, 5 years 3 months and counting..... i haven't done anything to it since i installed it, its never put a foot wrong, still operates in the same 100% dependable way it did when i first installed it.

As above i wouldn't consider an Intel system unless it was very cheap, they do have a problem, they don't last, they run hot, use a lot of power and they are slower, the Ryzen 5800X3D beats a 14900K in gaming more often than not at a third of the power consumption, its embarrassing....

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humbug said:
Ryzen 5800X here, 5 years 3 months and counting..... i haven't done anything to it since i installed it, its never put a foot wrong, still operates in the same 100% dependable way it did when i first installed it.

As above i wouldn't consider an Intel system unless it was very cheap, they do have a problem, they don't last, they run hot, use a lot of power and they are slower, the Ryzen 5800X3D beats a 14900K in gaming more often than not at a third of the power consumption, its embarrassing....

gamersnexus.net

AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. 9800X3D, 285K, 9950X, & More | GamersNexus

CPUs AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. 9800X3D, 285K, 9950X, & More March 12, 2025 Last Updated: 2025-03-12 We put the 9950X3D through numerous gaming and productivity benchmarks, efficiency tests, and more The Highlights 9950X3D is a 16-core, 32-thread CPU with a 5.7 GHz max...
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The thermal paste still going strong? Are your temps in check?
 
Major774 said:
The thermal paste still going strong? Are your temps in check?
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I'm using an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 with the supplied Arctic Silver Thermal Compound, the cooler is the same age, its never been off, my temps are i think slightly higher than when first installed but still very much in check.

It was at the time the best AIO money could buy, at least according to Gamers Nexus testing, very much overkill for a 105 watt CPU.

I'm not worried about it even tho i know in my mind 5+ year old Thermal Compound is way past its prime, i have an "if it ain't broke don't fix it" attitude to it, i will say tho i was planning on upgrading to AM5 this year with a smaller 280mm version of the later Arctic Liquid Freezer III, but with RAM prices being what they are i will probably keep this one going for another year.
 
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