8K not the future?

I bought an Samsung QE55Q700T back in 2020 just because I was interested in the 8K technology.

It has many problems like QLED HDR 1000R being too dark, leaving everything dark in HDR looking black (Disney+ starwars stuff is unwatchable in places).

I guess OLED would fix that.

I have never come across any high quality 8K media in all that time to try out which kinda makes it pointless.

I do have a SFF PC with a RTX 3090 hooked up that can drive 8K 60Hz, but I rarely use it over my main PC.

If I was given my £1499 back I would buy a 4K TV with VRR
 
RavenLunatic said:
I bought an Samsung QE55Q700T back in 2020 just because I was interested in the 8K technology.

It has many problems like QLED HDR 1000R being too dark, leaving everything dark in HDR looking black (Disney+ starwars stuff is unwatchable in places).

I guess OLED would fix that.

I have never come across any high quality 8K media in all that time to try out which kinda makes it pointless.

I do have a SFF PC with a RTX 3090 hooked up that can drive 8K 60Hz, but I rarely use it over my main PC.

If I was given my £1499 back I would buy a 4K TV with VRR
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OLED can suffer from "black crush"
 
Quartz said:
Maybe 8k TVs will come with inbuilt DLSS / FSR / XeSS?
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They already do, although GPU's have more power and textures are in RAM and the game engine can work it better, so it can do more with it

Frame interpolation
Scaling
Frame doubler

Have been in TV's for decades. ie my Kuro 5090 can triple refresh 24hz to 72.
 
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8k will probably be back in a decade or so, ie when 4K is considered the “norm” and genuinely used by a lot of people.
 
You could see this would happen though. I'm slightly shocked manufacturers like Samsung pushing 8k were so confident in it delivering more profit. Of the few hundred channels I have on my virgin box, I think still about 80% are SD. Yes, standard Def. Not even 1080p. What chance does 8k have when we can't even decom SD yet.

There is no demand for 8K when most people don't even care for 4K. I regularly come into the lounge and have to physically change the channel to HD because the Mrs is watching SD sky sports and simply didn't notice nor care.
 
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jaybee said:
You could see this would happen though. I'm slightly shocked manufacturers like Samsung pushing 8k were so confident in it delivering more profit. Of the few hundred channels I have on my virgin box, I think still about 80% are SD. Yes, standard Def. Not even 1080p. What chance does 8k have when we can't even decom SD yet.

There is no demand for 8K when most people don't even care for 4K. I regularly come into the lounge and have to physically change the channel to HD because the Mrs is watching SD sky sports and simply didn't notice nor care.
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Some of the SD channels are atrocious too. Mock The Week returns tonight on TLC (which apparently recently relaunched?) so I thought I'd set it to record on my BT TV box as you otherwise need a Discovery+ subscription or something. No HD version on Freeview, and the SD channel looks so awful I don't even want to watch it.

I feel like most people probably aren't even watching streaming services in 4K given the significant price premium some of them charge. Last I checked Netflix was £19pm for 4K, who knows what they'd charge for 8K.
 
I dont see 8k coming along as a mainstream for a long time yet. Let's be honest, for average Joe, mainstream isn't even 1080p yet, let alone 4k. The bulk of channels are still SD formats on public broadcast stuff like terrestrial.

That said, I think 8k will factor in the backend more and more ... like for sports. I once read that a single wide view 8k camera covering whole pitch could be used as a source for a panning HD window to follow the play. I.e. the camera wouldn't have to move or zoom ... you'd just select what crop you want from the big picture.
 
tom_nieto said:
Maybe curved TVs are poised to make a comeback instead?!
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Naa, 3d is where it's at :cry: . With regard to sound and TVs, does it make much difference? Surely if you want it to sound better you'd either go for an amp or a soundbar anyway. I think making TVs sound better is very difficult due to the thickness of them.

Also starship troopers is awesome, second and 3rd less so, but the animated ones bring it back imo.
 
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The issue is pixel density, viewing distance and screen size. A rough ratio is 10” of screen per 1000 pixels, so a 8k monitor would need to be around 80” For desktop use (sitting at desk) 50” (5k) is about as big as you can go with deep desk.
 
theone8181 said:
Naa, 3d is where it's at :cry: . With regard to sound and TVs, does it make much difference? Surely if you want it to sound better you'd either go for an amp or a soundbar anyway. I think making TVs sound better is very difficult due to the thickness of them.

Also starship troopers is awesome, second and 3rd less so, but the animated ones bring it back imo.
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I was going to say that audio could do with more attention, but as you say the physical restrictions will always be a problem. Perhaps this is why we more commonly see TV with soundbar packages being offered?

What with full fibre being so ubiquitous now, I would really like to see streaming services up the quality of video and audio, or at least give the choice so that those who don't care can pay for the basic but those of us who do care can pay and get the full fat service.

I've long been of the opinion that if the picture quality is average but the audio is good, then it is still watchable. But if the audio is poor then it doesn't matter how good the picture quality is, it won't be as watchable.
 
Quartz said:
Have TVs moved up to 1 Gb NICs yet?
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Yeah this annoys me. They will keep using 100mbit ports to save 0.0001 pence per unit. Exceeding the bandwidth of 100mbit is rare but I have seen it happen on very high bitrate bluray rips on my Plex server. You can run a usb to gbit ethernet adapter and it will work around the problem but we shouldn't have to deal with this. Just stop putting 100mbit ports on anything in 2026 already.
 
jaybee said:
Yeah this annoys me. They will keep using 100mbit ports to save 0.0001 pence per unit. Exceeding the bandwidth of 100mbit is rare but I have seen it happen on very high bitrate bluray rips on my Plex server. You can run a usb to gbit ethernet adapter and it will work around the problem but we shouldn't have to deal with this. Just stop putting 100mbit ports on anything in 2026 already.
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My guess is that they will focus on Wi-fi that will cater for the >1Gbs speeds? I still prefer cable though.
 
I expect user data shows virtually nobody is connecting via cables anyway, if it was to change, I would expect to see no ethernet port at all more than a change to 1Gb spec - it must be an incredibly niche requirement when you think about it, let alone the people who hardwire AND have a requirement for that connection to consistently support over 100Mbit. Throw in the fact you can use a USB converter if you are one of the tiny minority that wants it, if anything i'm surprised they still include them at all.
 
robj20 said:
Very true for a lot the only metric is screen size, it's the only thing they care about.
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I think its very much this. Whenever I was selling all-in-one stereo systems 30 years ago, the main question was 'how much power' or how many watts'. The main point of that is they thought (Power/Wattage = it will go loud/sound better :confused:) not true in the case of said all-in-ones from the likes of Aiwa/kenwood back in the day. Fast forward to now and the same attitude is 'Bigger screen = Better pic'.

Looking at the RS site, an 85" telly can be had for 600 notes. If such a telly was available for that kind of money 30 years ago I would have sold them by the container load. :D
 
Grimley said:
I think its very much this. Whenever I was selling all-in-one stereo systems 30 years ago, the main question was 'how much power' or how many watts'. The main point of that is they thought (Power/Wattage = it will go loud/sound better :confused:) not true in the case of said all-in-ones from the likes of Aiwa/kenwood back in the day. Fast forward to now and the same attitude is 'Bigger screen = Better pic'.

Looking at the RS site, an 85" telly can be had for 600 notes. If such a telly was available for that kind of money 30 years ago I would have sold them by the container load. :D
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Seems to be a growing number of people who are all about OLED now though instead of size.
There is a definate FOMO factor about OLED and its very clear in TV threads on this forum also.
 
75" 8k here, had it for a few years and got it new for about 2.5k a few years ago compared to it's 13k launch price. Thankfully it delivers a cracking 4k picture as 8K content is still thin on the ground.

Youtube content mostly, few Japanese broadcasts. I've been looking for Season 3 of Das Boot which was aired in 8k but no joy.
 
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