Scott Mills sacked by the BBC

LOL yes, it sure reads like a joke when its book-ended by you fanboying :cry:

wanna hear an actual joke?

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e: ok i'll shut up :D
 
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Or, it could be you hear about them more because they are famous and so the papers report it more.... Which seems the more likely explanation.




You're stretching with that one... There is likely far more "cookie cutter jobs" that DO have access to underage kids than jobs performed by famous people:
  • Nursery Workers
  • Schools (Teachers, Janitors, Dinner Staff
  • Child Play Areas (Soft play etc)
  • Youth Camps
  • Swimming Pools
  • Theme Parks
  • etc etc

Are you standing by your view/opinions on this or can you accept an error in judgement and we just move on?

Error of what judgement in that there are a lot of Paedophiles in entertainment?

Not to mention Jimmy Saville must be up there as one of the worst to ever live.
 
I think you must factor in the fact that certain institutions favour a positive image more than morality and justice. Fame isn't just a reason for public awareness, but also a reason for deception.
 
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You ought to make a list, you might find that aren't as many as you think.
Now to make the list they have got to have been found Guilty in a Court and not by the public.

The problem is certain institutions and the contacts you make from them can offer significant levels of protection.
As can fame in and of itself.

Theres also a big difference between innocence and being found not guilty. Everyone knows OJ was guilty. He said as much himself.
 
The problem is certain institutions and the contacts you make from them can offer significant levels of protection.
This is true, plus there wasn't really a mechanism to safeguard the majority of areas within the entertainment industry until recent years. However, I think the vast majority of abuse is within the education sector - just by sheer volume, as the sizes are quite different.
 
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You ought to make a list, you might find that aren't as many as you think.
Now to make the list they have got to have been found Guilty in a Court and not by the public.

Saville, Glitter, Hue Edwards, Mark Page, Stuart Hall, Rolf Harris. There was even a BBC "unnamed" director with 832 images of child porn on his computer.

It isn't just the names either but the magnitude of their crimes too.

They are just the convicted ones. Plenty more to be unearthed in due course I am sure.
 
Error of what judgement in that there are a lot of Paedophiles in entertainment?

Oh, so we are moving the goalposts of your argument now? Lets recall what you ACTUALLY said and what I ACTUALLY challenged:

Lots of messed up child actors, paedo's and generally unsavoury characters throughout all entertainment. At a much higher rate than any other profession that I can think of.

Your point is that the entertainment industry has a much higher rate of "messed up child actors, paedo's and generally unsavoury characters" but you have zero evidence to back this up.

Now, I'll give you the "messed up child actors" one as, by the very description you have given, you only get child actors in the entertainment industry so only "messed up" ones can come from there and from no other industry. Can you provide evidence that the entertainment industry has a much higher rate of "paedo's and generally unsavoury characters than any other profession" ??
 
The problem is certain institutions and the contacts you make from them can offer significant levels of protection.
As can fame in and of itself.

Theres also a big difference between innocence and being found not guilty. Everyone knows OJ was guilty. He said as much himself.

but let's just make a nonce list of those 100% found guilty in the entertainment industry.
Even though Savile never went to Court I think we all know he was a nonce.

Jimmy Savile
Stuart Hall
Rolf Harris
Huw Edwards
Chris Denning
Chris Langham
Gary Glitter
Ian Watkins
Pete Townshend
Jonathan King
Bay City Rollers drummer
Bay City Rollers Manager Tam Paton
Judas Priest drummer
Fred Talbot
Him who played Len Fairclough in Coronation Street

I'm struggling now.
 
This is true, plus there wasn't really a mechanism to safeguard the majority of areas within the entertainment industry until recent years. However, I think the vast majority of abuse is within the education sector - just by sheer volume, as the sizes are quite different.

Exactly the BBC employs circa 20,000 people and it has a rather high serial sex offender per capita. Especially prolific ones.

Perhaps there might be more in education but that is with millions of kids and teachers.

You cannot ignore that the BBC and other media have a massive problem.
 
Ah reading 'Gary Glitter' reminded me of that english missionary who raped all those kids in malaysia, that was quite a prolific one!

Looks like he was killed in prison from a quick googs *Richard Huckle


Exactly the BBC employs circa 20,000 people and it has a rather high serial sex offender per capita. Especially prolific ones.

Does it? What rate? How high is that compared to education?


You cannot ignore that the BBC and other media have a massive problem.
Yes, the BBC's problem is Robbie Gibb
 
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I loved the Scott Mills show on radio 1. I have memories of working in Australia on a farm listening to Scott and Chris. Such fun and easy listening. They helped me to get my hours in for the second year of my visa.
 
but let's just make a nonce list of those 100% found guilty in the entertainment industry.
Even though Savile never went to Court I think we all know he was a nonce.

Jimmy Savile
Stuart Hall
Rolf Harris
Huw Edwards
Chris Denning
Chris Langham
Gary Glitter
Ian Watkins
Pete Townshend
Jonathan King
Bay City Rollers drummer
Bay City Rollers Manager Tam Paton
Judas Priest drummer
Fred Talbot
Him who played Len Fairclough in Coronation Street

I'm struggling now.

I'll play... Your list has 15.

Samuel Robinson
Timothy Moule
Rebecca Joynes
Aaron Clark
John Stavely
John Ewan Myles
Neil Foden
Jamie Alexander Wheeler
Robert Collins
Kevin Copstake

SOURCE OF ABOVE 10x from 2024 alone

Daniel Clarke
Simon Schofield
Johnathan Morgan
Jamie Varley
Charles Cornelius


There's 15... and it took me 10 mins to do that. There are plenty more just from TEACHING profession.
 
I'll play... Your list has 15.

Samuel Robinson
Timothy Moule
Rebecca Joynes
Aaron Clark
John Stavely
John Ewan Myles
Neil Foden
Jamie Alexander Wheeler
Robert Collins
Kevin Copstake

SOURCE OF ABOVE 10x from 2024 alone

Daniel Clarke
Simon Schofield
Johnathan Morgan
Jamie Varley
Charles Cornelius


There's 15... and it took me 10 mins to do that. There are plenty more just from TEACHING profession.

There are 614,000 teachers in the UK. The BBC employs just 21,000 and last time I checked the head of teaching didn't have 800+ images on kiddy porn on their computer and none of them did the numbers of Jimmy Saville.
 
In a statement on Wednesday afternoon, the 53-year-old said: "The recent announcement that I am no longer contracted to the BBC has led to the publication of rumour and speculation.

"In response to this the Metropolitan Police has made a statement, which I confirm relates to me.

An allegation was made against me in 2016 of a historic sexual offence which was the subject of a police investigation in which I fully cooperated and responded to in 2018.

"As the police have stated, a file of evidence was submitted to the Crown Prosecution Service, which determined that the evidential threshold had not been met to bring charges.

"Since the investigation related to an allegation that dates back nearly 30 years and the police investigation was closed 7 years ago, I hope that the public and the media will understand and respect my wish not to make any further public comment on this matter."

He added: "I wish to thank from the bottom of my heart all those who have reached out to me with kindness, my former colleagues, and my beloved listeners, who I greatly miss."

BBC have also confirmed today that they knew about the investigation in 2017, so still no clue or reasons behind why they got rid of him now
 
I loved the Scott Mills show on radio 1. I have memories of working in Australia on a farm listening to Scott and Chris. Such fun and easy listening. They helped me to get my hours in for the second year of my visa.

Same I can remember decorating our new house and he was narrating R-Kelly's Trapped in the closet. It helped the hours go by. Who would have thought 15 years later they would be both wrong-uns.
 
There are 614,000 teachers in the UK. The BBC employs just 21,000 and last time I checked the head of teaching didn't have 800+ images on kiddy porn on their computer and none of them did the numbers of Jimmy Saville.

It's almost good that you brought up Jimmy Saville, pretty much the only investigation into him at the time of the offences in the 70's was attempted by and you'll never guess, the BBC. The problem was the person that raised it couldn't name the alleged victim or give any details sufficient for the BBC to proceed with any more (IIRC the person that raised it wasn't even a first party witness).

Meanwhile for decades afterwards he was actively abusing people in hospitals where it was hushed it up despite nursing staff warning each other, and the police received multiple allegations that they didn't bother to follow up on other than to tell the victims to stop making stuff up.

It is worth looking at the statistics for teachers and school staff who have been found to have committed offences BEFORE enhanced checks were done on anyone who worked at a school, even just contractors who would be working on the school grounds, and consider that the BBC does not in fact have to have it's staff vetted (although IIRC they do for staff who will be working around kids). IIRC the BBC also mandated chaperones for known under 18's years before there was a legal requirement.
Guess what, the stats for abuse offences before enhanced vetting are not great for education, especially anything from before the 80's, and there are still routinely cases of school staff being struck off, banned from working around children, and convicted because of things like having sex with their pupils, but unless it's something really horrific it tends to get a brief mention in the middle of the papers, or on the local section of the news.

I remember a couple of decades ago a senior doctor at my local hospital, who specialised in paediatrics was found to have been keeping indecent images of children in a locked file cabinet*, IIRC I don't think it even made the nation papers, my parents only found out because it was in the local paper at the time and they recognised the name.

I've been reading a lot of various news websites, especially in the "local" sections and every few weeks there is another story about a teacher being struck off for inappropriate behaviour, or a medical professional, or a police officer (all three groups have far better vetting that is legally required than the BBC ever has), literally every week there is a story, but guess what, they're on the "local" news section because the people involved are not well known names so despite their offences often being as bad or worse their names aren't over every paper and on every news channel.


So yes, once again I'll point out you hear much more about one BBC related case than you would any 10 other cases of a similar level simply because if it's someone that works at the BBC, let alone a "face" or "voice" it makes a nice story that will get clicks to websites (or back in the day, sell copies of the Sun/Express/Mirror where they'll do a count down to a celeb "being legal" under a story complaining about how TV/music/film is sexualising children).


*IIRC the story goes that he was on holiday there was a need to move the cabinet due to a leak or something (I can't remember if it was a leak or they'd got new filing cabinets/moving them), so his secretary had to empty it and found the folder with the pictures behind one of the drawers.
 
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