EV general discussion

b0rn2sk8 said:
Has the additional losses and time from rapid charging a cold battery been factored in?

If you plug in the car it will kick on the heat pump and rear motor (and front motor if fitted) to rapidly heat the battery.

Once it’s up to temperature, it will flip to max cooling.

Being realistic the battery is always going to be cold as you’ll not be coming off hours of driving before plugging in.

You are never going to hit the advertised charge time as it assumes a fully preconditioned battery. In winter it’s going to take a material amount of additional energy and more time to charge the car.

As for getting an EV to save (at best) £500 a year but only relying on public charging, that’s a no from me.

I’ve even got a bank of rapid chargers 5 mins walk from my house, I still wouldn’t even if they were 45p/kWh and not the 69p/kWh they actually are.

You are basically jumping from one volatile market to another. Particularly once you factor in charging you may have to do elsewhere which could wipe out a lot of that saving anyway. Likewise if you want/need a 100% charge, you are sat there for at least an hour.
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Loads of good points on there that I wasn’t aware of, thank you.
 
lordrobs said:
In the context of buying an EV, without home charging, to save on fuel costs at 200 miles a week any potential savings are practically nothing. I mean, we are talking in the realms of around a tenner a week.
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He's got a diesel he averages 42.5MPG on 10400 miles so the fuel cost is £2058 per year at 1.85l. Same mileage in the car he is suggesting with be 4mpkWH, so £572 is using the supercharger near him off-peak - so £123 a month less or £28.57 a week. Or to put it another way before tax he need nearly a £2000 pay rise to be on the same money without caring about the loss.
 
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Journey said:
He's got a diesel he averages 42.5MPG on 10400 miles so the fuel cost is £2058 per year at 1.85l. Same mileage in the car he is suggesting with be 4mpkWH, so £572 is using the supercharger near him off-peak - so £123 a month less or £28.57 a week. Or to put it another way before tax he need nearly a £2000 pay rise to be on the same money without caring about the loss.
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Exactly. This demonstrates the problem with constantly looking at the “me” rather than the actual personal use case of those asking the question.
 
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Journey said:
He's got a diesel he averages 42.5MPG on 10400 miles so the fuel cost is £2058 per year at 1.85l. Same mileage in the car he is suggesting with be 4mpkWH, so £572 is using the supercharger near him off-peak - so £123 a month less or £28.57 a week. Or to put it another way before tax he need nearly a £2000 pay rise to be on the same money without caring about the loss.
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Don't forget cost to change the car/possible insurance increase. Could easily wipe that £2k pay rise out for a couple of years
 
It’s almost as if it is nuanced and personal circumstances are key. If someone is changing their car and can work public charging around other personal pursuits, then yes having an EV and relying on public charging can still save money.
 
Journey said:
He's got a diesel he averages 42.5MPG on 10400 miles so the fuel cost is £2058 per year at 1.85l. Same mileage in the car he is suggesting with be 4mpkWH, so £572 is using the supercharger near him off-peak - so £123 a month less or £28.57 a week. Or to put it another way before tax he need nearly a £2000 pay rise to be on the same money without caring about the loss.
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Are we ignoring buying/ financing the car ?
 
ICDP said:
It’s almost as if it is nuanced and personal circumstances are key. If someone is changing their car and can work public charging around other personal pursuits, then yes having an EV and relying on public charging can still save money.
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Indeed but I think this sort of thing looks ok on paper. Then the reality becomes something else.

It’s good to see both sides of the coin but I don’t think there’s a wrong answer. Ideal is work place charging for this sort of thing. Then the time loss isn’t a factor
 
Now you are getting it, there’s no wrong answer, because even public charging can be cheaper than running a diesel. Just supply the facts and realities of EV ownership and let the individual decide.
 
ICDP said:
Exactly. This demonstrates the problem with constantly looking at the “me” rather than the actual personal use case of those asking the question.
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That being that he would be looking at sitting at his local Tesla supercharging station once a week for half an hour solely to charge a car, potentially at peak cost times, maybe not.

As much as anything else, even if you can make productive use of the half hour, it's the restrictiveness of needing to find the half hour out of your day to go to the charger once a week. I don't think this should be overlooked just for the sake of saving a bit of money - it could become remarkably frustrating needing to bake this time into your life routine.
 
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ICDP said:
Now you are getting it, there’s no wrong answer, because even public charging can be cheaper than running a diesel. Just supply the facts and realities of EV ownership and let the individual decide.
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yes and I’m skewed with home charging and work charging including 2 x 300kW chargers in the car park.

What’s this public charging you talk about ?:p But seriously I avoid it like the plague

Reminds me. I need to fill up my ice with its 250mile range
 
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Simon said:
yes and I’m skewed with home charging and work charging including 2 x 300kW chargers in the car park.

What’s this public charging you talk about ?:p But seriously I avoid it like the plague
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lol, same here. My wife’s C40 went back after 3 years and was public charged twice. Once for a few minutes to test it worked on the day I got it and a second time I was curious to test how fast it charged in winter with preconditioning.
 
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Annoying situation

My GV70 insurance is up on April 13th.

My BMW iX3 is now not scheduled to be with me until April 23rd.

I therefore need temporary cover for my GV70 but am being quoted silly amounts (lowest so far is £300+ for 3 weeks!)

I've tried

Veygo (Declined to quote)
Go Shorty
Cuvva (Declined to quote)

And I tried MoneySuperMarkets Temporary portal and was quoted about £400+

Suggestions?
 
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