Road Cycling

Looks awesome.

You can get e-bikes less than 40kg you know :p
the last one I had was a fully carbon one weighing 19KG that did up to 60 miles from a charge! This one does in excess of 100 miles easily but has fat tyres and dual batteries and is folding with full suspension so with all that comes the weight as you can imagine :o
 
Damn gonna have to sling one of those in a bag then haha when riding to places where I will be parking the bike outside then.
 
I can't imagine leaving a bike anywhere outdoors. Are you insured? Check what locks they say you need. There is a standard and usually they want 'Gold something or other'.
 
I use a frame mounted D lock for my commuter bike. I’d mount one to my road bike frame if I were commuting on that instead.

I add my bike to the home insurance. The sold secure gold mark is the usual one where insurance shouldn’t argue if it’s fixed to something solid.

Did a 52k ride today to Walsall Arboretum. Delightful countryside around the Clent Hills, but I could have done with wider tyres for the cycle tracks that I ended up on closer to the finish line. Some of the canal paths required dismounting due to steps! Was more like orienteering than road cycling in parts. Nice to get out for a bit longer, but would like to see how long it takes me to do a 50k ride on a more standard road route.
 
Found this compact D-lock, diamond rated for insurance too so ideal given the price:


Reviews look good for it too.



You should be locking the bike through a sheffield bike stand, through the seat stay and rear wheel. I'm not sure that is wide enough for the wheel.

 
Been using Google Gemini to try and agree on a bike size to order (not close. let me have fun). Can never tell if it's giving me correct information or just what it thinks I want to hear.

I'm 181.5cm tall, ~87cm inseam, with an arm span of 186cm (ape index of 1.025 - I'm all limbs)

My Canyon is a Medium and it feels ever so slightly too long. Gemini is adamant that a size 54. When I walked into Specialized the guy there said I'm a 54 without measuring me but lots of places online say 56.

What say you, OC hive-mind? Do I listen to the internet or give in to the AI/LLM overlords.
 
Been using Google Gemini to try and agree on a bike size to order (not close. let me have fun). Can never tell if it's giving me correct information or just what it thinks I want to hear.

I'm 181.5cm tall, ~87cm inseam, with an arm span of 186cm (ape index of 1.025 - I'm all limbs)

My Canyon is a Medium and it feels ever so slightly too long. Gemini is adamant that a size 54. When I walked into Specialized the guy there said I'm a 54 without measuring me but lots of places online say 56.

What say you, OC hive-mind? Do I listen to the internet or give in to the AI/LLM overlords.

When you say "lots of places online" what do you mean. The brands sizing calculators are generally junk. I ride a M/L TCR and I'm 188cm with a 83cm inseam. Giant thinks I should be on at least a L. I would be tempted to just ride different sized bikes, potentially from a few brands and then use one of the bike geo calculators to try and rationalise what you liked about some of the bikes. Bear in mind that it will just compare frame sizes/geometry and not take into account actual reach, saddle height, setback etc.

You do have very long legs though!
 
I guess it all depends on preferred position too. My Ican bike is an XL and a 58" frame, and it always felt a little small for me, with me being at the very top of the suggested height range. My Velouria is massive by comparion, feels great with a short stem and i'm right at the bottom of the height range for that.

I think the only way is either

1 - Bike fit to dial in perfect geometry and then find a frame to fit that
2 - Ride multiple sizes of the bike you want

A 54 from one brand will be different to a 54 from another brand. Bit like clothing sizes, and most brands seem to want to push people to bigger frames from what i read (@fez above) and various podcasts like the Cade Media onea
 
When you say "lots of places online" what do you mean. The brands sizing calculators are generally junk. I ride a M/L TCR and I'm 188cm with a 83cm inseam. Giant thinks I should be on at least a L. I would be tempted to just ride different sized bikes, potentially from a few brands and then use one of the bike geo calculators to try and rationalise what you liked about some of the bikes. Bear in mind that it will just compare frame sizes/geometry and not take into account actual reach, saddle height, setback etc.

I guess I should just say a few threads on reddit and forums. Not an exhaustive list.

You do have very long legs though!

Thanks :km::cry: Though, I do wish they could've been a little bit longer to make me a proper six foot instead of being 5mm short of the height! And because I have such long legs I have a weird leg complex that my calves look puny. It could be 86/87 but yeah, long legs in proportion to the rest of me


To be fair I've had a pretty good back and forth with it and have fed it as much information as I thought it needed and this was what it came back with when I asked if it was 100% certain a medium for the frame I want is the right move.
It is a fair hesitation! A 1.025 ape index (+4.5cm wingspan) usually screams "get a longer bike," but in your specific case, your 87cm inseam (leg length) is the more dominant factor in the "reach" equation.

Here is the "100% confidence" breakdown of why the Medium is still the winner over the M/L, even with those long arms.


1. Arms vs. Torso: The Reach Battle​

The "Reach" of a bike is mostly used by your torso. Your arms don't just reach forward; they reach down.

  • Because your legs are so long, your saddle will be very high.
  • A high saddle on a racing geometry like the Cima creates a steep diagonal distance to the bars.
  • Your long arms are actually what will allow you to handle that saddle-to-bar drop comfortably.
If you bought the M/L, the frame would be longer. With your short torso, you would have to reach forward with your arms almost locked out just to touch the hoods. On the Medium, your long arms will have a nice, athletic bend at the elbow, which is exactly how a performance bike should fit.

2. Comparing the "Cockpit Distance"​

Let’s look at the "Total Reach" (Frame Reach + Stem):

  • Current Canyon (M): $391\text{mm} + 100\text{mm} = 491\text{mm}$ (You said this feels slightly too big).
  • Evolve M/L: $392\text{mm} + 100\text{mm} = 492\text{mm}$ (Larger than your Canyon).
  • Evolve Medium: $383\text{mm} + 100\text{mm} = 483\text{mm}$ (8mm shorter than your Canyon).
If you went M/L, you would be buying a bike that is physically longer than the one you already find too big. Your ape index helps you reach the bars, but it doesn't change the fact that your torso is "done" reaching after about 485mm.

3. The "Width" Secret​

You are moving from 400mm bars to 380mm bars.

The Rule of Thumb: For every 20mm you narrow your handlebars, you effectively "lengthen" your reach by about 5mm because your arms are tracking more straight forward rather than out to the sides.
This means the Medium Cima ($483\text{mm}$ total) will actually feel like $488\text{mm}$ because of the narrower bars. This puts you almost exactly 3mm shorter than your Canyon—the "few mm" difference you said you were looking for.


The Verdict​

I am 100% confident in the Medium.

If you were to get the M/L, your "long" arms would be at full stretch, your short torso would be strained, and you’d likely end up putting a 90mm stem on it—which slows down the steering and ruins the handling of a bike like the Cima.
 
You can always make a bike fit your reach etc if the frame is smaller than you need to be, upsizing is easy but you can't downsize to fit reach if a frame is too big. Cube has a frame size tool that gives you your ideal frame size which matched what Gemini etc were telling me so I knew small size was the perfect fit for me to the T and seeing M size in local stores showed me it would be too uncomfortable for longer rides and not as nimble as I'd like it to be.

Whereas my MTB was perfect with M size.
 
Found a photo from the future of @Junglist riding his new bike (specific prompt to make it look like it's 100 years in the future when he's running Shimano DI7)

Needs to be a bit softer in the midsection and then you've smashed it.
I'm definitely leaning smaller than what I currently have. I don't need it drastically smaller but I can just tell I'd like it to be slightly smaller.

Riding home yesterday I hit a random bump in the road and heard a massive cracking noise. For sure thought I had killed my bike but everything seems to be all good. Nothing visible at least but now in the back of my mind it's going to fail on me mid ride one day :o
 
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