These sections of the WCML are at capacity... This is the problem with how they sold it to the public all being about speed, nobody thinks we need the line when in fact we really do..
why all the hate for hs2?
- Thread starter 233
- Start date
Soldato
- Joined
- 19 Oct 2002
- Posts
- 18,657
- Location
- Shakespeare’s County
It is impressive engineering regardless.
It also needs to be replicated across most of the mainlines which is the slightly depressing part.
I agree the engineering is very impressive.
But part of the cost issue is the gold plated solution design/spec for the whole line.
Something slightly less ambitious would have had been significant cheaper but still delivered 95% of the benefits of HS2. That left over cash could have done into doing the same for another line or actually building the full HS2 line.
But part of the cost issue is the gold plated solution design/spec for the whole line.
Something slightly less ambitious would have had been significant cheaper but still delivered 95% of the benefits of HS2. That left over cash could have done into doing the same for another line or actually building the full HS2 line.
Soldato
- Joined
- 19 Oct 2002
- Posts
- 18,657
- Location
- Shakespeare’s County
Route parrallel to M40 was mooted but 14 mins loger trip? Seems thats happening from the train speeds anyway!
Pretty much every week my commute changes based on HS2 and twice in a week i got a cracked windscreen from a stone flicked up in the contruction areas
Pretty much every week my commute changes based on HS2 and twice in a week i got a cracked windscreen from a stone flicked up in the contruction areas
Soldato
- Joined
- 23 May 2006
- Posts
- 9,315
HS2 proves the old adage isn't true
ie they say you can have
quality done quickly (but expensive)
quickly done cheaply (but not quality)
or quality done slowly (but cheaper)
however the UK seems to continually prove that what we can have is shi*e done slowly for an incredible amount of money!.
ie they say you can have
quality done quickly (but expensive)
quickly done cheaply (but not quality)
or quality done slowly (but cheaper)
however the UK seems to continually prove that what we can have is shi*e done slowly for an incredible amount of money!.
Last edited:
£100 million on a single bat tunnel. £700 million spent on fish. There’s probably over priced environmental solutions dotted throughout these projects.
If we ever get a cost breakdown of these projects I wonder how much of the total budget went to planning consultants and environmental regulations. Maybe the actual building work might be the cheapest part of all of this.
Last edited:
If Andy wants to restore the Northern powerhouse then linlks to London becom less important ..
with only 40bn in, so far and economic return only some £1-2 per £ then what could they do with existing structures if they halted,
indirect benefit to the economy of newly trained workers - maybe they can be deployed elsewhere when it is all over, if they are not retired.
No details on the Balfour Beatty contractors tax fraud, and the ministers speech is sparse on explanations for the cost overrun,
are there any foreign compsanies/investors signiificantly benefitting - like aforementioned fujitsu, or are monies staying in the UK
with only 40bn in, so far and economic return only some £1-2 per £ then what could they do with existing structures if they halted,
indirect benefit to the economy of newly trained workers - maybe they can be deployed elsewhere when it is all over, if they are not retired.
No details on the Balfour Beatty contractors tax fraud, and the ministers speech is sparse on explanations for the cost overrun,
are there any foreign compsanies/investors signiificantly benefitting - like aforementioned fujitsu, or are monies staying in the UK
Last edited:
The actual work being done is not crap...
I imagine the archaeology costs have run into many hundreds of millions as well. I'm not that saying thats bad, just another cost people dont think about.
Caporegime
- Joined
- 22 Oct 2002
- Posts
- 29,445
- Location
- Boston, Lincolnshire
We have the outer bank trial off the coast near where I live. Another load of millions wasted in the 1970's. Government waste is as old as time.
Outer Trial Bank - Wikipedia
Most expensive bird sanctuary in the world.
Last edited:
Soldato
- Joined
- 23 May 2006
- Posts
- 9,315
that remains to be seen. it was kind of an umbrella comment for all the big projects we have in the UK. and I can say with 100% certainty that the guided bus project in Cambridge definitely ticks all the boxes. it started to fail months after completion
Associate
- Joined
- 19 May 2010
- Posts
- 2,368
- Location
- Cheltenham
Surely its going to need rebranding as they cant stand there with straight faces calling it HS2
If they had marketed it correctly in the first place around capacity it wouldn't be so bad, just another long over due over budget UK project.
Love to a street poll and find out how many people that say they are against HS2 know what HS1 was/is…
I honest think they don't really care about this project.
All they care about is "How can we get more people in London." While the city is already overflowing with too many people driving up the cost. So great excuse to tax everyone to the high heavens because of it.
While a bunch of people are sitting on the sidelines collecting a huge pay cheque, barely doing anything then bugger off after 24 months.
Last edited:
This is true, the amount they've kept chopping and changing it (which will add more cost) is ridiculous.
And freight. And local services. One of the reasons the WCML is at capacity is because high speed trains reserve big sections on the track because of their speed. By dumping them on their own line it would have made the high speed trains faster, as it was a dedicated line built for them, and increased the amount of slower trains (local services and freight) that could be run because they don't have the same space reservation requirements, allowing for trains to be run much closer together.
This is also partly to do with the chopping and changing.
Man of Honour
- Joined
- 12 Jul 2005
- Posts
- 21,979
- Location
- Aberlour, NE Scotland
The most expensive cost per mile of any railway project anywhere in the world ever!! What a disgrace. Just think of all the reopening of lines that Beeching closed could be achieved with the money spent on this white elephant!! There are people in North Cornwall/North and NW Devon crying out for their lines to be reconnected in particular the old LSWR line from Okehampton through Tavistock to Bere Alston. This was the old Exeter to Plymouth line and would also provide a useful diversion when the coast line through Dawlish is closed due to sea conditions but no, everything gets ploughed into the farce that is HS2.
They use broomsticks!Only witches teleport, ARE YOU A WITCH?
I think that the cost of it is the biggest cause of the hatred.
One of the examples with the construction cost of it was if you had planned a house extension, and agreed it with a builder that it would cost £100K and take 6 months to complete, but 2 years later and costing £1 Million, was there not a contract in place to allow for +/- £ and construction time. I would probably have used it as a quick way to get to the North. The main purpose of it though was to boost the economy in Northern cities, perhaps improving the digital infrastructure through use of Teams and other Business conference tools would be a quicker and easier way to do this.
One of the examples with the construction cost of it was if you had planned a house extension, and agreed it with a builder that it would cost £100K and take 6 months to complete, but 2 years later and costing £1 Million, was there not a contract in place to allow for +/- £ and construction time. I would probably have used it as a quick way to get to the North. The main purpose of it though was to boost the economy in Northern cities, perhaps improving the digital infrastructure through use of Teams and other Business conference tools would be a quicker and easier way to do this.