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FSR 4.1 on RDNA 3 Benchmarks and comparison videos

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Quite a few really good benchmark and comparison videos out now so thought I would share a few for people that haven't seen them yet :)

ZwormZ Gaming, If you've never checked this guy out I think he is one of the best GPU benchmarkers on YouTube

Daniel Owen

Ancient Gameplays

Hardware Unboxed

And our very own Humbug :D
 
That's because when it comes to shooting themselves in the foot, nobody is better at that than AMD.
For once, not this time, they new it was good enough to negate Nv's upscaling advantage and kept it RDNA4 exclusive a for over a year=because Nv's lost the plot on pricing AMD's taken loads of Nv users like myself not willing to pay the premium for 80 class gpus for PT'ing, at the same time unofficially releasing a working INT8 FSR4=DIY FSR4(been using it on my XTX and AllyZ1 since it 'leaked').

I'm guessing the 9070XT's maybe been AMD's highest selling gpu to date as it wiped out the launch price of 70ti's that hit a staggering £1200+, today it's a staggering £230 cheaper than a 70ti, which will offset 32Gb ram cost on a new build.

Tbh, most of the negativity about AMD not releasing earlier was from click bait YT's and vocal Nv kids.

*which reminds me-I didn't pay for FSR4 when I bought my XTX kids:p
 
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For once, not this time, they new it was good enough to negate Nv's upscaling advantage and kept it RDNA4 exclusive a for over a year=because Nv's lost the plot on pricing AMD's taken loads of Nv users like myself not willing to pay the premium for 80 class gpus for PT'ing, at the same time unofficially releasing a working INT8 FSR4=DIY FSR4(been using it on my XTX and AllyZ1 since it 'leaked').

I'm guessing the 9070XT's maybe been AMD's highest selling gpu to date as it wiped out the launch price of 70ti's that hit a staggering £1200+, today it's a staggering £230 cheaper than a 70ti, which will offset 32Gb ram cost on a new build.

Tbh, most of the negativity about AMD not releasing earlier was from click bait YT's and vocal Nv kids.

*which reminds me-I didn't pay for FSR4 when I bought my XTX kids:p
All true and things I 100% agree with. However the original point still stands and I wish they weren't like that so much.

Some of the ATI or AMD cards I've owned have been legendary, my 9800pro and 5850 among them.

But I'm still not convinced they can always make the right decisions, for themselves and for us.
 
All true and things I 100% agree with. However the original point still stands and I wish they weren't like that so much.

Some of the ATI or AMD cards I've owned have been legendary, my 9800pro and 5850 among them.

But I'm still not convinced they can always make the right decisions, for themselves and for us.
Overall I agree your original point holds true, AMD almost never fails to arse almost everything up gpu's.

Talking about legendary AMD cards through the years, my stand out being twin 7950's @800mhz stock- bios modded to 1.2Ghz!
 
Overall I agree your original point holds true, AMD almost never fails to arse almost everything up gpu's.

Talking about legendary AMD cards through the years, my stand out being twin 7950's @800mhz stock- bios modded to 1.2Ghz!
Oh man, those were cards I could only dream about back then. It's because they've been so good in the past and utterly smashed Nvidia that I hold out hope they'll do it again for a generation or two. The 9070xt gives me hope that they'll do a top tier card next time, couldn't believe they didn't try once they saw the uptake on the 9070xt.

But that harks back to my point!
 
Thanks for the shout out :)

Nice to see HUB do a video on it...
Well they got there eventually the only big channel to actually bother making one... I know you don't like the big channels much but HUB are pretty good at GPU benchmarking and image comparison videos. And Tim can be just a bit obsessive when it comes to image quality so if he thinks it's good then... :D
 
It seem mad to me that AMD didn't want this! Huge upgrade for owners of older cards, especially the 7900xtx
Just on this, I've said it a few times but I personally don't think they never wanted to release it - what they did want (and rightly so) was to sell their latest card. FSR4 was a big USP for the 9000 series. And now that FSR4 is available on RDNA3 and soon to be RDNA2, what did people comment on here when the announcement was made. I'll paraphrase... but basically "Great - I will keep my 7000 series card for longer now". Hah! So if AMD had released it earlier I honestly think it would have hurt their sales. Nevertheless, right decision to give people the choice and release it (eventually). :)
 
Just on this, I've said it a few times but I personally don't think they never wanted to release it - what they did want (and rightly so) was to sell their latest card. FSR4 was a big USP for the 9000 series. And now that FSR4 is available on RDNA3 and soon to be RDNA2, what did people comment on here when the announcement was made. I'll paraphrase... but basically "Great - I will keep my 7000 series card for longer now". Hah! So if AMD had released it earlier I honestly think it would have hurt their sales. Nevertheless, right decision to give people the choice and release it (eventually). :)
I get that but supporting and looking after your existing customers tends to help build up a good reputation and brand recognition and more people willing to recommend your products which leads to more sales in the long run.
 
I get that but supporting and looking after your existing customers tends to help build up a good reputation and brand recognition and more people willing to recommend your products which leads to more sales in the long run.
Despite improving performance over past gpu's lifecycle and often accelerating past its direct competitor=building good performance rep-AMD still lost market share.

Absolutely no one bought 6/7 series for upscaling quality, they either choose more vram for longevity/PT'ing doesnt do it for them and or paid less for a performance point.

Also DLSS2 cnn's actual 'quality' was brought to attention by tech sites only when transformer launched-when Nv wanted you to see the negative qualities of DLSS2.
 
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Despite improving performance over past gpu's lifecycle and often accelerating past its direct competitor=building good performance rep-AMD still lost market share.

Absolutely no one bought 6/7 series for upscaling quality, they either choose more vram for longevity/PT'ing doesnt do it for them and or paid less for a performance point.

Also DLSS2 cnn's actual 'quality' was brought to attention by tech sites only when transformer launched-when Nv wanted you to see the negative qualities of DLSS2.
RDNA 4 was more of a side grade over RDNA 3 performance wise the 7900xt and xtx were as fast if not faster then the 9070-9070xt in most games, so other than for FSR 4 was no real reason to upgrade.
And when I bought my 7900gre, it was just around 4-5 months before the RDNA 4 release and AMD was still still releasing new CPU's for AM4 so i foolishly thought they are still supporting AM4 so RDNA 3 would still get any new FSR updates... Guess that was me just being naive :D lol
 
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RDNA 4 was more of a side grade over RDNA 3 performance wise the 7900xt and xtx were as fast if not faster then the 9070-9070xt in most games, so other than for FSR 4 was no real reason to upgrade.
And when I bought my 7900gre, it was just around 4-5 months before the RDNA 4 release and AMD was still still releasing new CPU's for AM4 so i foolishly thought they are still supporting AM4 so RDNA 3 would still get any new FSR updates... Guess that was me just being naive :D lol

I like RDNA 4 as an architecture, its all but nullified Nvidia's RT and DLSS advantage, taking TPU's combined results the £850 5070 Ti is 14% faster in RT than the £600 9070 XT, even taking in to account RT Nvidia do not have a performance advantage anymore, that argument is dead for anyone but the most dedicated to their cause.
Universally tech revivers say while DLSS still has the edge FSR 4 is good enough for that difference to be so small now it doesn't matter.

AMD created a good competitive architecture, so i like it.

However my RX 7800 XT, which is a good GPU, i certainly like it and still as someone coming from 3 generations of Nvidia, it performs very well, its solidly reliable including its drivers which for me have been rock solid for the 2.5 years i have had it, i certainly had more driver problem during the 3 years i owned the RTX 2070S. With all of that said i paid £480 for it, if i now look at the now 1+ year old succeeding generation and what i can get for around that money, £500, its this.


Its 26% faster than my RX 7800 XT, even without FSR 4 for my GPU now it still wouldn't be good enough, for the same money generational upgrade i'm looking for no less than 30%+, and its not even the same money, its 10% more expensive, that gives me a 16% price to performance upgrade, yes RT its higher than that but RT on RDNA 3 is not as bad as some people seem to think it is, it handles RT very well at 1440P.

 
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You know what's weird about all of this, people do say "why don't AMD just do to Nvidia what they did with Intel...."

Zen 1 got AMD back on their feet but it didn't do much in terms of making Intel sweat. Zen 1+ was the same.
Zen 2 is when it found its form, still not quite as good as Intel in gaming performance, but the performance in gaming was good, in the same way Intel today are still a good gaming CPU even if not as good as AMD, and this is when AMD started to eat up chunks of Intel's market share.

By Zen 3, i still have mine, 5800X, that's when AMD overtook Intel even if most tech journalists didn't really want to acknowledge that and had them just weirdly 1 or 2% under the 10900K, we now know with much more powerful GPU's, where they can't hide it, if you like... that the 5800X stomps all over the 10900K in gaming and even to a lesser extent MT productivity, one reviewer, AnandTech were very much at odds with everyone else showing the 5800X some 30% faster in games than the 10900K, which turned out to be right, odd that isn't it?
It why the AM4 platform has had such unprecedented longevity, its why AMD still make them as a more budget friendly option, they are still very capable, even today.

in any case my point being AMD are firmly in Zen 2 territory vs Nvidia now, and yet....
 
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Oh man, those were cards I could only dream about back then. It's because they've been so good in the past and utterly smashed Nvidia that I hold out hope they'll do it again for a generation or two. The 9070xt gives me hope that they'll do a top tier card next time, couldn't believe they didn't try once they saw the uptake on the 9070xt.

But that harks back to my point!
I think part of the problem is silicon availability and allocation.

After seeing what happened, and that state of the 50 series, they were probably tempted, but not only do you have to place orders months or even years in advance for in demand nodes, meaning to do anything sooner they'd have to sacrifice producing something else, but additionally they'd need to tape the larger design out etc and make sure they didn't introduce any bugs, which is an involved, costly and time consuming process; all with am finite deadline for this target to make sense etc.

By the time this happened, assuming they'd pulled the trigger after the 9070XT launched and they saw the success they had, they'd have been looking at a release of about now, and at that point they probably figured they'd likely be dealing with Nvidia Super sooner or later, moving the goalposts, and potentially making the investment a waste of time...at which point it becomes far simpler and justifiable to focus on the next generation which should uplift the entire range; which I believe is still due next year.

Fundamentally, a 9080XT on RDNA4 could have been amazing, given how competitive the 9070XT is for the money, but they'd needed to have decided to do it earlier to have had it make the sense for the additional investment and sacrifices elsewhere it'd have cost; rather than after they saw the ****show that actually happened beginning of last year.
In HINDSIGHT, with the cancellation or massive delay on the 50 Super series, and the fact they weren't as far forward as had been expected, it'd have made massive sense, but these decisions will have been made 2-3 years ago; and they can only make educated guesses...sometimes that works out, sometimes (like now) it potentially didn't; and that's before we even factor in the memory market.

If producing a 9080XT/9070XTX had been quick and easy after it became clear the 9070XT was a massive success, they'd have almost certainly done it; but they were trying to cut costs, and get themselves back into the GPU game after some misfires and lost marketshare; and the time to market is far longer than many people realise (in fact that time to market is a large part of why we start hearing rumours about cards and architectures years in advance, because they genuinely are being worked on years out).
 
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You know what's weird about all of this, people do say "why don't AMD just do to Nvidia what they did with Intel...."

Zen 1 got AMD back on their feet but it didn't do much in terms of making Intel sweat. Zen 1+ was the same.
Zen 2 is when it found its form, still not quite as good as Intel in gaming performance, but the performance in gaming was good, in the same way Intel today are still a good gaming CPU even if not as good as AMD, and this is when AMD started to eat up chunks of Intel's market share.

By Zen 3, i still have mine, 5800X, that's when AMD overtook Intel even if most tech journalists didn't really want to acknowledge that and had them just weirdly 1 or 2% under the 10900K, we now know with much more powerful GPU's, where they can't hide it, if you like... that the 5800X stomps all over the 10900K in gaming and even to a lesser extent MT productivity, one reviewer, AnandTech were very much at odds with everyone else showing the 5800X some 30% faster in games than the 10900K, which turned out to be right, odd that isn't it?
It why the AM4 platform has had such unprecedented longevity, its why AMD still make them as a more budget friendly option, they are still very capable, even today.

in any case my point being AMD are firmly in Zen 2 territory vs Nvidia now, and yet....

Why is it weird
 
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