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RDB85

RDB85

RDB85

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I’m after some advice. I’m looking to upgrade my storage and have multiple back ups. I’m in the process of buying a Mac Mini. My process would be:

- Back up Mac Mini daily.
- Have two Hard Drives that would store files that I need but don’t need access to all of the time. Then have another set of hard drives that mirror those hard drives.

- Then have another set of hard drives that back them up. Like a none destructive back up.

Then have a external hard drive that’s not on the network.

Is this possible at all as I’ve some family photos, videos and memories that I would like to keep hold of.
 
You’ve massively over complicated this. Let’s deal with the obvious, the Mac mini has local storage and stores photos on iCloud anyway, so that’s potentially on and off-site backup with protection against accidental deletion etc. out of the box, assuming you either pay for appropriate storage, or live within the free tier (unlikely). In the event of fire or theft, you loose nothing, because your photos are still on iCloud where they sync as soon as they are taken, same with files saved in a protected folder.

For most people, that’s probably all they should ever need, but chucking in a NAS with parity protected storage, perhaps running something like Immich either locally, or ideally offsite adds a out of ecosystem layer of protection. The best form of backup is one you never need to touch beyond initially setting it up and testing it, anything that requires human intervention/action is a flawed system.
 
Anything is possible. You've looked at options for possible deletion of the files or guarding against corruption, but nothing regarding fire or flood at home.
 
Any kind of NAS that has 2 or more drive bays for Raid1 is your first backup.

Then get a single larger external hard drive and back up to that as well - keep this off site (even if just in your car or round a family members house)

Even better add a 3rd back up to a cloud service, so that you have copies in 3 different places, and make sure the backups are at different intervals. E.g. the Nas has daily backups, the cloud backup every week, and the external usb could be once a month.
Different time frames gives you point in time recovery e.g. if you accidentally delete something or find corruption at any stage.
 
Armageus said:
Any kind of NAS that has 2 or more drive bays for Raid1 is your first backup.

Then get a single larger external hard drive and back up to that as well - keep this off site (even if just in your car or round a family members house)

Even better add a 3rd back up to a cloud service, so that you have copies in 3 different places, and make sure the backups are at different intervals. E.g. the Nas has daily backups, the cloud backup every week, and the external usb could be once a month.
Different time frames gives you point in time recovery e.g. if you accidentally delete something or find corruption at any stage.
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That sounds good.
 
Avalon said:
You’ve massively over complicated this. Let’s deal with the obvious, the Mac mini has local storage and stores photos on iCloud anyway, so that’s potentially on and off-site backup with protection against accidental deletion etc. out of the box, assuming you either pay for appropriate storage, or live within the free tier (unlikely). In the event of fire or theft, you loose nothing, because your photos are still on iCloud where they sync as soon as they are taken, same with files saved in a protected folder.

For most people, that’s probably all they should ever need, but chucking in a NAS with parity protected storage, perhaps running something like Immich either locally, or ideally offsite adds a out of ecosystem layer of protection. The best form of backup is one you never need to touch beyond initially setting it up and testing it, anything that requires human intervention/action is a flawed system.
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Right. Sorry for the over complication. I’m just trying to eliminate any possible data corruption or loss of media.
 
RDB85 said:
Right. Sorry for the over complication. I’m just trying to eliminate any possible data corruption or loss of media.
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Erm… nothing you have suggested said that was part of your requirement, and honestly, no mention of basic things like UPS, ECC, redundant connections, fault tolerant storage, detection of bit-rot/flip and multi-site replication, or the hardware budget kind of lead me to think this is another one of your famous pipe dream ‘what if’ post? Happy to spend time on it if not, but we’ve been down this road in several of your threads previously, and all seem to have been very similar.
 
Avalon said:
Erm… nothing you have suggested said that was part of your requirement, and honestly, no mention of basic things like UPS, ECC, redundant connections, fault tolerant storage, detection of bit-rot/flip and multi-site replication, or the hardware budget kind of lead me to think this is another one of your famous pipe dream ‘what if’ post? Happy to spend time on it if not, but we’ve been down this road in several of your threads previously, and all seem to have been very similar.
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I would be interested in spending time on it as it’s something that I would like to set up. None of my other threads have been similar to this. It seems as though you’re trying to pick holes in me asking a genuine question.
 
I’ll have a look into some of the suggestions that have been made. It seems some members like to pick holes and assert themselves as being more knowledgeable. Which then leaves the thread going a little cold and people not wanting to help. Everyone had to start somewhere.
 
I have my large NAS at home with everything on, photos, documents and Linux distros.
I then have another small 2 bay NAS that I just sync once a month photos and documents only and it's accessable in the livingroom, this is powered down most of the time.
Actually like the idea of keeping an external drive in the car.
 
robj20 said:
I have my large NAS at home with everything on, photos, documents and Linux distros.
I then have another small 2 bay NAS that I just sync once a month photos and documents only and it's accessable in the livingroom, this is powered down most of the time.
Actually like the idea of keeping an external drive in the car.
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That sounds ideal.
 
RDB85 said:
I’ll have a look into some of the suggestions that have been made. It seems some members like to pick holes and assert themselves as being more knowledgeable. Which then leaves the thread going a little cold and people not wanting to help. Everyone had to start somewhere.
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It has nothing to do with being more knowledgeable or otherwise, it has everything to do with low quality posts that require people to ask simple questions multiple times only for you to - as in this very post - completely change what you want part way through.

If you need reminding:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/upgrade-asus-wifi-6-mesh.19013832/ Like the time you took us on a merry dance about your 'slow' mesh system and wanted to upgrade it, only for us to discover that you were using a 2015 Macbook with a 100Mbit USB adapter and despite looking to spend potentially hundreds on upgrading your 'slow' mesh, were unwilling to spend £1-15 on a 1-2.5Gb USB adapter to get faster speeds, and a few days later were posting about intending to buy a mac mini.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/jellyfin-server.19014208/ Or the time you wanted a Jellyfin server and had a £1000 budget to spend, and when it was pointed out you'd made multiple recent posts about things this grand was supposed to cover, and one thread may have been better with all requirements stated, you threw a hissy fit, offered to delete your account with predictable reactions.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/ups.19015903/ or that time you came up with the amazing idea of a UPS that needed to run for 24hrs with a £1000 budget... yea.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/firewalla-are-they-any-good.19015900/#post-38506408 or the Firewalla thread, less eventful, but still a bit of a head scratchier.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/portable-router.19015038/ This was great, 10/10 made me smile... I want a portable router, but have no clue what I need it to route, we eventually get to the point it's mobile, and I just want more features I can't describe, other than 'speed' despite being directly asked, and we finished with someone literally having to explain how mobile signal in a phone and router should be broadly the same in terms of speed assuming like for like capabilities.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/looking-at-a-new-laptop.19014206/#post-38404916 Lets round it out by remembering the new laptop thread where you forgot to tell people you wanted a MacBook for 5 days, then you were somehow shocked Pikachu at what MacBooks cost (presumably having never looked at apples website, and not bought one in 11 years).
 
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I have not changed anything part way through. I’ve tried to describe the scenarios as best I can. Which may seem over complicated to people. But somehow you still think of it as “low quality” as you’ve so eloquently stated.
 
RDB85 said:
Would something like the

UGREEN DXP480T​

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I'd rather have a Terramaster F4-SSD. Terramaster's OS is much better that Ugreen's and there are some hardware compromises that limit what SSDs you can use in the DXP480T. You're also paying for a CPU that is unnecessarily powerful for your use.

The real question is whether you should be looking at an SSD-based NAS at all. One taking four HDDs will be a much cheaper option.
 
Snapshot said:
I'd rather have a Terramaster F4-SSD. Terramaster's OS is much better that Ugreen's and there are some hardware compromises that limit what SSDs you can use in the DXP480T. You're also paying for a CPU that is unnecessarily powerful for your use.

The real question is whether you should be looking at an SSD-based NAS at all. One taking four HDDs will be a much cheaper option.
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No problem. I just thought the SSD would not only be faster but better than hard drives. I’ve had a few HDDs fail. But then there is nVMe. But it could have been the WD Blacks that may have been my HDD issue.
 
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