Why doesn't the western media reoprt this??

Lord_Kokain said:
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Thank you my good man - may your brain-waves never be intercepted by a Grey...


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Meridian said:
But the idea that some advanced super-race (and they'd have to be to cover inter-stellar distances in a sensible period of time) has nothing better to do but to hide in the Earth's atmosphere via some sort of Cloaking Device and occasionally disabling the world's nuclear weapons for a while. Before turning them back on again.
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Would they have to be a super-race? A race 1000 years ahead of ours might be considered a super-race, but 1000 years is an inconsequencial amount of time in galactic (for want of a better phrase) terms. I very much doubt things will turn out like Star Trek, where there are numerouse alien species all around the same level of development give or take 50 years. Intelligent alien races are more likely to be hundreds of thousands of years apart in development. Imagine what we will be able to achieve in 100,000 years.

Meridian said:
The biggest problem with the "The Aliens are Watching Us" theory is makes no sense whatsover. These "aliens" are so advanced that we are clearly no danger to them - so why are the hiding?
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On the contrary, it makes perfect sense. When we (humans) achieve interstellar travel, what do you think we would do if we happened across a civilisation several thousand years behind us? I'd be willing to wager that we'd watch from afar, gathering as much information on them as possible. Maybe even abducting a few for a closer look. After all, isn't that exactly what we do on Earth with wild animals? Watch them, examine them, place trackers on them to understand their movements?

Meridian said:
And if they are hiding from us (for whatever reason) why are they so bad at hiding?
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Probably because they're not perfect, and there's a lot of us who might see them. Also, maybe they're monitoring our media, and have worked out that if anybody reports seeing them, they will be laughed at and disbelieved by the masses.

Meridian said:
But the most interesting bit of your reply is the last bid. I believe it was Karl Jung who pointed out that Flying Saucerism follows all the precepts of any religeon: beings from another world appear only to a chosen few. They are here to help, but only if we follow their message. The will take the chosen away to a better place etc. Get the idea?


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I was simply pointing out that most of the humans on this planet believe in one God or another without any evidence whatsoever, yet those same people will laugh at the thought of alien species visiting the planet, which, and let's be totally pragmatic here, is far more plausible.
 
For those who think Aliens do not exist; remember that our solar system is a single grain of sand in the 'beach' that is the Universe.
 
paul@ said:
What a load of rubbish.

Aliens and UFO's do not exist.
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How do you know? Travelled to every planet in the universe? It's entirely possible aliens do exist. Whether or not they have the technology to travel millions of light years is another matter. Thing is though travel back 2000 years, telling tribesmen that in only 2000 years time we would do this, that and the other (what we have now) and probably burn you alive for being a witch/heretict/insane.

So is it intirely possible a species who have advanced 100,000 years ahead of our time, without destroying themselves could have devolped such a means of transport?

I would hope an advanced civiliaztion would help out a lesser advanced civilization, by guiding them.
 
Errol said:
For those who think Aliens do not exist; remember that our solar system is a single grain of sand in the 'beach' that is the Universe.
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Of course aliens exist.....never heard of women? :D :D !!
 
Skunkworks said:
Would they have to be a super-race? A race 1000 years ahead of ours might be considered a super-race, but 1000 years is an inconsequencial amount of time in galactic (for want of a better phrase) terms. I very much doubt things will turn out like Star Trek, where there are numerouse alien species all around the same level of development give or take 50 years. Intelligent alien races are more likely to be hundreds of thousands of years apart in development. Imagine what we will be able to achieve in 100,000 years.
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Did you actually read the bit you quoted? I'll explain though if it helps...

If an alien race could cross interstellar distances in reasonable time frames (and if they came here in a generation starship they must be bitterly disappointed) and has some sort of cloaking device which could completely hide them from radar then they are a super-race. Even if they are not a super-race by your standards, my point holds: either this bunch of aliens can hide, or they can't. If they can hide, why do we (according to your theory) occasionally see them? Are you seriously suggesting a race that advanced hasn't figured out how to make their technology more reliable than Morris Ital? (For you old-timers out there...)


And behind all this, why do I detect the air of Wishful Thinking: a race of super being come to make the Earth a nicer place. As I said, religion pretending to be science.


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Meridian said:
Even if they are not a super-race by your standards, my point holds: either this bunch of aliens can hide, or they can't. If they can hide, why do we (according to your theory) occasionally see them? Are you seriously suggesting a race that advanced hasn't figured out how to make their technology more reliable than Morris Ital? (For you old-timers out there...)
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The best machines in the world fail sometimes. It could be human error, defects in materials, even the weather! It happens.
Meridian said:
And behind all this, why do I detect the air of Wishful Thinking: a race of super being come to make the Earth a nicer place.
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Not wishful thinking at all, I just like to play devil's advocate to those whose knee-jerk reaction is "OMG aliens, don't be silly lol lol lol".
 
Meridian said:
either this bunch of aliens can hide, or they can't. If they can hide, why do we (according to your theory) occasionally see them?
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That's a very crude question to a very deep and complex issue. I've seen UFO's about three times in my life. They are real, they are here (not publicy though) and possibly have been for quite a long time (at least 5000 years).

Meridian said:
And behind all this, why do I detect the air of Wishful Thinking: a race of super being come to make the Earth a nicer place. As I said, religion pretending to be science.
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I think a race 100,000s even millions of years ahead of us would have evolved beyond many of the more primitive drives that are predominant in our current level of consciousness such as power, greed, conquest and self-service.
 
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magick said:
That's a very crude question to a very deep and complex issue. I've seen UFO's about three times in my life. They are real, they are here (not publicy though) and possibly have been for quite a long time (at least 5000 years).
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haha oh jesus

what were they like :k
 
I think a race 100,000s even millions of years ahead of us would have evolved beyond many of the more primitive drives that are predominant in our current level of consciousness such as power, greed, conquest and self-service.
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I wish you would be right but I could not help it drawing a paralel between the Europeans and the Native Americans at the exploration of the New World...

And behind all this, why do I detect the air of Wishful Thinking: a race of super being come to make the Earth a nicer place. As I said, religion pretending to be science.
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Back at primary school we used to study a book(or rather part of it) by an author called Pavel Vezhinov. He is written plenty of stuff but most of it Sci-FI. Anyway the main story consisted of a guy, driving on some mountaneous area and who eventual took a hitchiker. They started talking about general stuff and,at one point, the hitchiker unintentionally drew of attention of the driver, which made him drive off the road and onto a cliff but the hitchiker did something to lift the car, back onto the road. Long story short he turned out to be an alien who was basically observing the progress on the planet without influencing anything(apart from saving the life of the main character but he did it because it was his fault at first place and he didnt want to influence the future). They started discussions on various things about humanity which amazed me about their depth(unlike many other Sci-Fi stories nowadays...), some even went too phylosophical for me at the time. At one point the guy was even asking the alien how come they dont help them with their advanced technology in order to speed up the human progress(thus saving a lot of hassle) and the alien responded with something along the lines that it would have to be done by themselves in order for humanity to appreciate it and not take it for granded and even things such as the World Wars were supposed to happen. He also pointed that if all curiosity for the future gets taken away from the people and the humanity could not expect to discover anything new(as it would all have been done by the aliens), it would lead to devastating consequences. Basically the whole story was one big conversation but, despite being published on many languages, Im not sure whether its easy to find(its from the 70s anyway).
 
Skunkworks said:
When we (humans) achieve interstellar travel, what do you think we would do if we happened across a civilisation several thousand years behind us?
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Kill them all and steal their resources of course!
 
The biggets threat to the world is not weapons of mass destruction but simply ourselves, or more accurately the way we run things around here. We are like a virus, destructive and fast breeding without any notion of what our existence actually means. I suspect that an alien race that advanced will treat us like animals and will have no regard for us at all, seeing us an the real threat to the planet and deciding a good old fashioned dose of anti-biotics is all that is needed. On the other hand, they could see us as errant children that need a guiding hand, mainly I suspect they will see us as food! :eek:

There is one other issue though when it comes to such matters, why do you all think that they will judge us by our own moral standard? They will not have the same value system because the didn't evolve on this planet, they may hold true concepts that are completely 'alien' to us. Personally I hope they all look like T'Pol because she was hot. :)
 
Talking of which, I'm fairly sure that this idea of the aliens having some sort of field which damps human nuclear weapons is stolen from an SF book/story, and I can't remember which one. Any else out there remember?


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