Saltwater into fire: An endless energy supply!

panthro said:
I am extremely sceptical that a radio wave can produce enough energy to split the molecule. A microwave most certainly can.
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people who don''t know what they are talking about (the news people) often call microwaves radiowaves (even though they aren't) and you yourself may not know the difference either (although it sounds like you do from that last post). For the purposes of this thread i was using radiowaves and microwaves interchangably which was probably a bad idea :p They could well mean radiowaves in which case it its dubious you're right.
panthro said:
However, hydrogen and oxygen are obviously perfect to create the flame. But!!....the input of energy that is required is going to be much greater than what you get out of it...a tiny flame. Therefore, its totally irrelevant because whats the point in having a source of energy where the inputs are greater than the output?
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i agree, so did she. If it does rely on spliting water into oxygen and hydrogen then there is no way the system can give you more power out than the power in. Its like taking a weight up to the top of a tower, dropping it and saying WOW look at all that free energy I got from dropping it.
panthro said:
As for the sea water...I dont think it matters, as seawater is a compound and all that will be left over from the split is as near as you can get H2O and sodium chloride.
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she didn't seam to think that the salt water part was important but it might be (could well be a different mechanism).
panthro said:
I really hate it when people say stuff like this. Whats makes you so sure he is the definitive expert? I am surrounded by doctors in chemistry, chemical engineering, mechanical engineering, etc. Some of the people I work with are on over £100 an hour, but I still wouldnt hold them to something and say they were definitely correct.
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She's the sort of person who probably is right. Its in her field and she's not known for saying stupid things. Some of the other lecturers here....well...
panthro said:
However, what Im saying could be totally wrong and the guy is a genius who has stumbled upon a revolutionary energy source :)
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He most certainly isn't a genius! He came across this by pure luck by the sounds of it and it didn't really sound like he knew what was going on, neither did the engineers who were testing what I'm told is a well known effect.

If it IS radiowaves I guess it must be a new effect, what that could be I don't know. I am suspicious of the size of those "radiowave" generators compared to the size of the flame.
 
DingleBerry said:
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I havent actually watched the videos, as I cant access them at work, so I will check them out when I go home.

Just been speaking to a friend of mine who is also dubious, dependant on the type of waves that are used, and how much energy is inputted into process.
 
There was a guy that has already pantents designed where he split water to make a hydrogen fuel source.

His name was Stan Meyers.

Having got huge exposure through television programmes like BBC1 Equinox he claimed he had been offered billions by oil companies for his patents. He refused to sell as his invention was to revolutionise the world.

With his invenstion he demonstrated a car running purely on water that was capable of 80mph.

He was died in 98 allegerdly having been poisoned. He had been eaten at a resturant owned by an oil magnet!!!

More here if you ever missed this guy...


Take a look

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-|ScottFree|- said:
He was died in 98 allegerdly having been poisoned. He had been eaten at a resturant owned by an oil magnet!!!
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Wait... no... hang on... he was eaten at a restaurant owned by an oil magnet??!!
Woah... the images in my head right now... trippy.
 
DJammyRasta said:
Sure there are loads of potential ways to make near unlimited energy.. but the conspiracy theorist inside me believes the big oil, and coal tycoons secretly rule the world which is the reason none of these wonder technologies ever get the attention they deserve ;)
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I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories but I wouldn't be surprised if that was true. Although I seriously doubt oil companies will just completely destroy all knowledge of these alternate energy sources. They will buy them up and keep it secret until it can make them money. I bet the oil companies have hundreds of potential alternate energy sources up their sleeves but they won't go public with them until they can't make any more money from oil. Someday they will have no choice but to make the switch. No doubt the world will suffer during the switchover to new energy sources, but it won't mean a return to the dark ages.

Originally Posted by panthro
As for the sea water...I dont think it matters, as seawater is a compound and all that will be left over from the split is as near as you can get H2O and sodium chloride.
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Maybe the sodium chloride somehow acts as a kind of catalyst. No idea if that makes sense, I'm clueless when it comes to chemistry.
 
Well, salt makes water carry an electric current. Its needed for magentohydrodynamic propulsion through water. Other than that I can't think of any other benefit. :confused:
 
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Bug One said:
Well, salt makes water carry an electric current. Its needed for magentohydrodynamic propulsion through water. Other than that I can't think of any other benefit. :confused:
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an almost endless amount of sodium - could be used in a new alloy to help replace iron/aluminium?

chlorine is used to make bleach and explosives
 
panthro said:
As for the sea water...I dont think it matters, as seawater is a compound and all that will be leftover from the split is as near as you can get H2O and sodium chloride.
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And pure water isnt a compound?

That type of 'split' i can do in my kitchen, boil salt water and condense the evorating water. I'll still have no hydrogen to use as a fuel. And thats ignoring all the energy for splitting the psuedo 'compound'.
 
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