whats the general concensus with sudents ?

big_white_dog84 said:
This, and your subsequent attempt to back track suggests that you really don't have the first clue about zoology. You must be so embarrassed at the fool you've made of yourself. :o
I'm guessing you think it means cleaning out the elephant enclosure at the zoo your daddy used to take you to every 2nd weekend.
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Ooooh tetchy. Thanks for the well thought out contribution though *Yawn* :rolleyes:

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Bah, posted since so the moment has gone... Trust me, it was scary though... Mwahahahahahaha... Ahem
 
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Athanor said:
Greater levels of work that by the OPs own admission only required 5% of his time to get a first? Uhuh... If you say so... So what % of your time at Uni would it require to get a degree that dosen't require "greater levels of work"? I've got to say it's not selling me on how students work hard to get a credible qualification if you only need to spend say 2 or 3 % of your time at uni actually doing anything to do with your course in order to get a first class degree... :)

I do hope you're doing it at a "proper" university ;)
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You of course know the poster in question and know that he isnt a genius at his chosen suject or perhaps has former background which has meant he found the course easy but needed to do it for the qualification itself?

I dont know either, maybe Zoology at Edinburgh IS a cakewalk, but i dont feel its right to judge in that respect without knowing all the facts.

I dont know why but in threads like this and others threads to do with bashing a general group of people I cant help but think of that Kaiser Chiefs chorus... "We are the angry mob, we read the papers every day, we like who we like, we hate who we hate but we're also easily swayed" Perhaps its just me but it always seems so fitting?
 
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manic_man said:
You of course know the poster in question and know that he isnt a genius at his chosen suject or perhaps has no former background which has meant he found the course easy but needed to do it for the qualification itself?
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Ok this is just getting a little silly now but i'll just highlight something again aside from the fun banter.

The OP posted crowing how it only took 5% of his time to get a first in a "proper" subject at at "proper" universtiy and he spent the rest of the time drunk, stoned or asleep. Think about how superior and pompus that sounds to all the students that study hard and flog their guts out to get say a 2:1 or a 2:2 at a non red brick (or proper) uni in a subject some of you have decided isn't "proper".

Given that, do you not think he was due a little stick and ribbing about his subject being "proper"?

Jeez, for so called intelligent guys you have to have it spelled out...

I can't believe that some of you guys try to take the moral high ground to defend being a student, get sulky for getting a bit of "students are layabouts" stick", and then demean other students doing topics you decide aren't "proper" at universities you don't approve of.
 
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Psyk said:
The thing I hate most about students is the fact they're allways bloody whinging about something. Save the rainforests this, end the war that, I just wish they'd stop complaining for once :p
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Exactly. I'm a law student, and the majority of those in my year tend to be socialist extremists. They stand against everything, yet they stand for nothing.
 
Athanor said:
Ok this is just getting a little silly now but i'll just highlight something again aside from the fun banter.

The OP posted crowing how it only took 5% of his time to get a first in a "proper" subject at at "proper" universtiy and he spent the rest of the time drunk, stoned or asleep. Think about how superior and pompus that sounds to all the students that study hard and flog their guts out to get say a 2:1 or a 2:2 at a non red brick (or proper) uni in a subject some of you have decided isn't "proper".

Given that, do you not think he was due a little stick and ribbing about his subject being "proper"?

Jeez, for so called intelligent guys you have to have it spelled out...

I can't believe that some of you guys try to take the moral high ground to defend being a student, get sulky for getting a bit of "students are layabouts" stick", and then demean other students doing topics you decide aren't "proper" at universities you don't approve of.
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So let me get this right, you're attacking the lack of coherence in the opinions of the students in this thread, despite each of those opinions having been voiced separately and in no way intended to form a single argument? Would you like an easier target perhaps? Like a barn door?

I made a post about my experiences of university, as it contrasted with some of the previous posts which were leading to an image of students either working hard for their grades and doing little socialising, or the opposite. It's possible to do both, was my point. Sure there was a little ego in my post, but as I've already explained the 'proper university' quote you've been trying so hard to misinterpret was in no way intended as a belittlement of other people's achievements.

Is there anything else you'd like explained to you Athanor?
 
Well i'm a student - and my view is:

Some students are worthwhile, hardworking people, aiming to better themselves.

Some are dossers.

That is all.

Rich
 
King4aDay said:
Sure there was a little ego in my post, but as I've already explained the 'proper university' quote you've been trying so hard to misinterpret was in no way intended as a belittlement of other people's achievements.
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Ah but that's exactly what it was, you explained that presumably unlike some other people you studied a "proper" subject in a "proper" university. It's not me misinterpreting it, it's quite clear you believe the efforts of some don't come up to scratch because the subject or uni are not "proper". Attacking me whilst trying to back track now doesn't really change that does it. At least have the good grace to stand by your statement.

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Is there anything else you'd like explained to you Athanor?
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No thanks, I think you've proved my point about your posts being pompous just fine all on your own :D
 
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I'm a student, I like listening to loud music, I like watching DVDs and playing PS3 games on a big TV, I like going to the park for a kick about and some beer with my mates, I like going out and stumbling home at 7am.

I came to uni because it's what everyone in my family's done for 3 generations, I chose my subject because I thought I'd find it easiest, I chose my uni because my girlfriend at the time was going there.

I don't get the whole "students don't know what the real world's like" viewpoint... or do people get transported somewhere completely different when they leave full time education?
 
Thought I'd chip in with my 2 cents.

I've just finished my second year doing computer science, I hate my course, it bores the nadgers off me, I only did it cos I didnt know what to do in life after my A-levels, I got an A at A-level in computing so thought I might as well. I was always a shy kid at school/college so I did wonder if I could handle it. I always had images of turning into the guy who sat at his computer all day that would never get laid or have any friends.

As it turns out uni is/was the best thing I've ever done, first year I had a blast, went out loads, got drunk all the time an made a few good mates, met my girlfriend who i'm head over heels in love with and I improved my social/communication skills one million percent. However I still worked hard, got fairly good results in exams and spent a lot of time working as I struggled with some aspects of the course. Very much the same thing in the second year with just slightly less partying.

I'm also in a fair bit of debt, will be owing 10k when I finish, however thats partly my fault because I've just been to the Maldives on holiday with the gf and we're goin to Oz after our finals next year and if I can scrape enough we'll go back to the Maldives soon after. But hey, I work my arse off in the holidays to pay for it so its not like i'm slacking around, yes the money could pay off the debt but its the last chance before I have to get a proper job and have to knucle down, I'm gonna enjoy it while I can.

As for the student stereotype I think in many cases its correct, there are exceptions but you have to accept there are different levels of 'studentness', take my uni house for example:
me and the gf, very similar, described above
male 1: stoner, does psycology, doesnt turn up for anything
male 2: financial course, rapidly turning into male 1
male 3: unbeleivably lazy, misses most lectures
female 1: does history, only 4 hours a week, spends most of her time watching tv
female 2: does 30 hours a week studying food, tries real hard and does ok, doesnt go out that much

So yea I may not get anywhere with my degree, but its the experience thats helped me improve as a person and I've loved every second of it. None of my mates have gone 2 uni, they're all on apprenticships and such earning no money but could soon be on 50k, but guess what, they all wish they went to uni and are regretting it. I'd rather be on no money but be happy and had enjoyed my 3 years rather than be on 100k sitting around moping and complaining about tax dodging students!!
 
can someone explain the whole "tax dodging thing" for me? As far as I know being a student gets you out of paying council tax and that's it. One tax. We pay the same income tax as everyone else, our interest at the bank gets taxed, we have to pay capital gains tax, VAT, etc. etc.

Or am I doing it wrong? Is there some kind of "I'm a student give me 15% off everything for VAT" card I should have?
 
1. Students pay the same tax as everyone else.

2. Students in general think they are better than they ough to

3. the students mentioned in 2 get a sudden awaking on getting a job and realise how little students really know.

4. being a student is fun, but less fun than going on the dole and being a hippy on a comune for 15 years.

Note: I may not know what I am talking about, or I may - I don't care.
 
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just because most students dont earn enough to pay tax therefore are technically dodging it by not working
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I pay tax on everything i buy, I pay stupid amounts of tax on fuel, I pay tax on my earnings, I pay tax on interest earned, I pay tax on drinks, I pay over £200 a year in road tax, despite being a student. The tax dodging thing is rubbish.
 
Going to Cali said:
I want to know what it is we know so little about? I know you don't care, but if you could explain I'd be grateful.
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Most of my mates are or have recently been university students and they think they know all there is to know about the 'real' world, i.e. working for a living to support yourself. They think that because they have a bit of paper saying they know all there is to know about a certain subject that they are invincible and know it all.

They really haven't got a clue, though. They are in for a rude awakening when they have to wind their neck in and start low down on the ladder until they gain experience.

But, all students can't be tarred with the same brush. I'm sure there are plenty of students out there with a sufficient level of modesty. In my experience they are few and far between.
 
Im a student and i hate most students. Up in Leeds they are all lazy idiots who only want to get drunk and get laid. They aren't there to learn at all, and it annoys me that half of them do pointless degrees. I have met very few students who are there to actually learn...

Im past the drinking stage, and now i spend plenty of time studying, etc, to actually get a good degree classification unlike a lot of other people i know up there. Doesn't mean i don't like to go out though
 
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I'm a student. Proof that they're not all bad :)

I'd doing a (basically) made up degree which won't get me anywhere on it's own, and after I've finished it I'll have to start as low down as I could've started now. I'm not under any stupid illusions, I don't expect it to be my magic ticket to life like a lot do.
 
but a lot of students do support themselves and work for a living. Once you've spent three years cooking, cleaning, shopping and paying all the bills for yourself what more do you really need to know? apart from how to spend the extra £12k a year you end up with?
 
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