Will Navi equal a 2080 and be cheaper?

Teh_Next · 7 May 2019 at 10:00

I don't know if I should hold off for Navi.

I'm aware no one knows anything for sure but I wonder what the hgeneral consensus is. Will Navi equal a 2080(non ti) at similar or lower cost?

foster grant · 7 May 2019 at 10:17

One would hope for lower prices , I'm speaking of course for myself

LePhuronn · 7 May 2019 at 12:18

We don't know. All the Navi leaks and rumours have turned into a contradictory mess. If the top-end Navi 20 cards are real I don't see them showing up until early next year.

But if you want RTX 2080 performance and content with similar cost, then you've just described the Radeon VII. Get that instead, because Navi won't supplant it for a while.

Teh_Next · 7 May 2019 at 12:41

LePhuronn said:
We don't know. All the Navi leaks and rumours have turned into a contradictory mess. If the top-end Navi 20 cards are real I don't see them showing up until early next year.

But if you want RTX 2080 performance and content with similar cost, then you've just described the Radeon VII. Get that instead, because Navi won't supplant it for a while.

That being the case I would just get the 2080.
I'll try and hold off a bit.

LePhuronn · 7 May 2019 at 12:43

Teh_Next said:
That being the case I would just get the 2080.

Out of interest, why?

But yes, hold off for a bit. We might see some shifting in prices. Apparently there's a 2070 Ti coming out so how that affects the price of Radeon VII and the other RTX cards remains to be seen.

Teh_Next · 7 May 2019 at 12:45

LePhuronn said:
Out of interest, why?

But yes, hold off for a bit. We might see some shifting in prices. Apparently there's a 2070 Ti coming out so how that affects the price of Radeon VII and the other RTX cards remains to be seen.

Same price range and may as well get RT support.

LePhuronn · 7 May 2019 at 12:46

Teh_Next said:
Same price range and may as well get RT support.

Fair enough. Thank you for proving an argument I made a while back with your reasoning

Teh_Next · 7 May 2019 at 13:16

LePhuronn said:
Fair enough. Thank you for proving an argument I made a while back with your reasoning

An argument with me? I don't recall it :confused:

Poneros · 7 May 2019 at 13:40

Teh_Next said:
An argument with me? I don't recall it

He probably meant a general argument.

One thing we know for sure is that Navi this year will be under Radeon VII in price (direct CEO confirmation), and therefore very likely under it in performance and thus also under the 2080.

LePhuronn · 7 May 2019 at 13:50

Teh_Next said:
An argument with me? I don't recall it

Oh no no no, not at all! And I don't mean argument in the shouty sense, I mean general standpoint.

In the various Navi threads here there's a strong opinion that AMD will charge Nvidia money for Navi because that's where the price point precedent is set. I've argued that would be sales suicide for AMD and they should undercut Nvidia by a good amount to swing sales in their favour. The idea being if a Navi card and its targeted RTX competitor perform the same in traditional raster workloads but Navi costs the same or is only a little bit below then consumers will just pay the little bit extra and get RTX because of the ray tracing and DLSS, regardless of if it works or not.

And you said exactly that

So let me ask you this as well: if Radeon VII was £100 cheaper than RTX 2080, would you still get the RTX because "might as well get RT"?

Teh_Next · 7 May 2019 at 13:56

LePhuronn said:
Oh no no no, not at all! And I don't mean argument in the shouty sense, I mean general standpoint.

In the various Navi threads here there's a strong opinion that AMD will charge Nvidia money for Navi because that's where the price point precedent is set. I've argued that would be sales suicide for AMD and they should undercut Nvidia by a good amount to swing sales in their favour. The idea being if a Navi card and its targeted RTX competitor perform the same in traditional raster workloads but Navi costs the same or is only a little bit below then consumers will just pay the little bit extra and get RTX because of the ray tracing and DLSS, regardless of if it works or not.

And you said exactly that

So let me ask you this as well: if Radeon VII was £100 cheaper than RTX 2080, would you still get the RTX because "might as well get RT"?

For one hundred quid cheaper, I would live without it.

Same price (roughly) would be a no brainer to go rtx.

LePhuronn · 7 May 2019 at 14:00

Teh_Next said:
For one hundred quid cheaper, I would live without it.
Same price (roughly) would be a no brainer to go rtx.

Oh I'm gonna quote you to high heaven the next time somebody says I talk rubbish

Back on topic, hold out for a little bit to see if prices change. Navi this year will come in under the Radeon VII/RTX 2080 so that's not what you want, but maybe the Radeon VII will shift in price.

TheRealDeal · 7 May 2019 at 14:14

I would go a different route. I game at 4k where rtx is pretty much useless on a 2080. I would rather have the 16gb of Vram on the Vega compared to the RTX. If I was at 1440p I might think differently though. You are right though in the current climate AMD need to be the same speed but also cheap by a decent amount to win market share. They also need to do this and make profit. They are in a pretty bad spot as Nvidia's mind share is off the charts.

bru · 7 May 2019 at 16:09

Teh_Next said:
Will Navi equal a 2080(non ti) at similar or lower cost?

Simple answer 'No'

LePhuronn · 7 May 2019 at 16:43

bru said:
Simple answer 'No'

Without triggering a full retread of the Navi thread here, your simple answer isn't a simple answer because we don't know. The more accurate simple answer is "this year? More than likely not".

bru · 7 May 2019 at 19:18

LePhuronn said:
Without triggering a full retread of the Navi thread here, your simple answer isn't a simple answer because we don't know. The more accurate simple answer is "this year? More than likely not".

Well yes I do agree we don't know, we hope it will and it might with Navi 20 next year, but Navi this year, then no it won't.

Disclaimer: Of course this is just my opinion, but if I was a betting man i would put money on it being correct.

CuriousTomCat · 7 May 2019 at 20:20

Teh_Next said:
I don't know if I should hold off for Navi.

I'm aware no one knows anything for sure but I wonder what the hgeneral consensus is. Will Navi equal a 2080(non ti) at similar or lower cost?

I highly doubt that this years Navi will have a performance level as good as a 2080. Even 2070 is optimistic. Personally I cant wait for Navi because I'll be more than happy with the performance it delivers.

You'd be looking at next years Navi 20 if you want a high end card.

LePhuronn · 7 May 2019 at 20:22

For the longest time I didn't even believe talk about a big Navi 20 anyway, so if we do see something at the top end then it won't be until next year.

ANDREW GREEN · 7 May 2019 at 20:27

We won't know until reviews but in theory if you have 4000 shader unit on 7nm, with 200mhz clocks, with GDDR6 with improvements in the arch with greater cache with Vairable Rate Shading implemented. Then yes it maybe possible. 2070 is more likely

Tute · 8 May 2019 at 01:47

I have to admit I can't see the first wave of Navi products being as fast as the Radeon VII, simply on the basis that those who forked out £650 for a launch day model will be left with a very bitter aftertaste only a few months later. If you want Radeon VII performance i'd go and buy one.