Beggers in Leeds

[Greebo]

Yes because this wasn't a problem before 2010

I suggest you read post #13 carefully. It just confirmed my suspicions on the root cause of the problem and this has been an issue for decades.

Ive read it. Nowhere does it say what the root cause of the problems are and what has caused it (except for the lack of sufficient house being built which is definitely the govt fault). It does mention the mental health of a lot of these people and again that can be traced directly back to the Govt cuts. And yes it was a problem before 2010 and we had epople sleeping rough in the 1950s but it has doubled since 2010 and gone up by a third in the last 2 years.

And before you say it I can tell you know my brother didnt end up on the streets because he took drugs or was an alcoholic (he was teetotal). He may well be both now though.,

 

[Combat squirrel]

To be honest i think the last time a poll was done to establish party voting, Labour came out a clear majority.

A lack of sympathy for losers doesn't make people "right wing". There's plenty help for homeless people in the forms of shelters etc which makes it more of a choice for them.

Well, right wing is sometime labour as well - not all the time, but im glad labour have a leader currently who actually wants to help his fellow man, but those that speak vile cruel things about humanity on here must be speaking loud then, or say such things that it tarnishes the forums rep and isn't easily forgotten.

Most people on this forum are also plentyyyy rich enough to pay an extra £100 tax a year and then everyone would have decent public services - instead of private companies running public services that take massive slices of money from the public purse as profit, if it was ran properly, tax wouldn't even need to change probably given how much profit is earned, billions would just continued to be used to fund things.

 

[Greebo]

Is it?
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/are-you-going-to-vote-in-the-european-elections.18854200/

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...and-ocuk-exit-poll-closing-8th-july.18782284/

According to the exit poll there's twice as many Lab/Lib Dems as Tories on this forum.

Thats a poll on a particular event in time. Historically this forum has being very far right although this has tempered down over the years but in general I do feel it is very hard line Tory. You only have to look at the pension thread or any benefits thread to see this.,

 

[Resident]

Im not sure about other cities but it seems in the past 5-10 years the amount of beggers in the city center has at least doubled.

As it is illegal to beg, does this means anyone can perform a citizens arrest on these people?

I offered one a sandwich once and he didnt 8want it! Clearly after money for drink and or drugs only. These are clearly not ‘homeless’ or are only homeless by choice

They're everywhere, they're like vermin.

I was in Glasgow a few years back and had an early morning meeting. I decided to walk as it was only a mile from the hotel.

I saw a minibus dropping off beggars pretty much every 50m down one of the main streets.

Clearly organised and obviously a scam.

I GET THIS REFERENCE.

Great film.

Good memory!

 

[Greebo]

There were none when I visited Bruges. My guess is that if the majority of country eco money comes from tourism and something could impact this, the authorities have rights to remove the things potentially causing the problem.
In UK, it must not be the case.

I personally see beggers in UK as sub-human, below even rats. Maybe harsh but animals and rats have a purpose in life, these creatures do not.

The real homeless I have seen in poorer areas of China. These people I gladly gave food too and they were so thankful

Well nice you have no empathy. You don;t know the background of single one of these people. Whatabout teenagers who have run away from home cause they have been abused? Do you still see them as sub human?

Guess you are another to go on the ignore list as I view people with views on human life like that as sub human myself.

 

[Combat squirrel]

Thats a poll on a particular event in time. Historically this forum has being very far right although this has tempered down over the years but in general I do feel it is very hard line Tory. You only have to look at the pension thread or any benefits thread to see this.,

Yes agreed, I see it alarmingly a lot - lots of brexiteers, lots of hard right comments, its rather appalling really.

 

[Mason-]

Thats a poll on a particular event in time. Historically this forum has being very far right although this has tempered down over the years but in general I do feel it is very hard line Tory. You only have to look at the pension thread or any benefits thread to see this.,

Oh okay, so we were 'very far right' and then all of a sudden the forum had a change of heart in 2017 and again earlier this year but it's now reverted to being far right again.

Yeah gotcha, totally makes sense.

Spoiler

Also lol @ the suggestion that well off people automatically vote tory, like the phrase 'champagne socialist' is just a meme.

 

[Malevolence]

Historically this forum has being very far right

Far-right? Jesus wept, you people really do make me laugh.

 

[Mason-]

Yes agreed, I see it alarmingly a lot - lots of brexiteers, lots of hard right comments, its rather appalling really.

Yeah yeah sure, lots of brexiters, it is rather appalling really, 52% of the 17 million who voted really are rather appalling really. Good thing you guys aren't the sort to "speak vile cruel things about humanity" and "you care about helping your fellow man" Shame 52% of your fellow man are appalling though isn't it.

 

[Vanilla]

Far-right? Jesus wept, you people really do make me laugh.

You mean we are not far right??? awwwww shucks. You're basically this policeman

 

[Mason-]

Hmmm this really does't make sense. Working class people vote labour and rich people vote tory, all the people on this forum are rich so they must all vote tory right?

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election

Hmmm skilled working class vote more for tory and the middle class vote more for labour? Hmmm how can I possibly square this circle.

 

[Moley]

We should have a poll for people to set out their stall politically - do you consider yourself left/right/centrist, remainer/leaver, Lab,Con,Lib,Grn, etc.

 

[Moley]

skilled working class vote more for tory and the middle class vote more for labour? Hmmm how can I possibly square this circle.

As many have said, Labour is no longer the party of the working class - it's full of hand-wringing, Guardian reading Islingtonistas.

 

[Caracus2k]

it's more than doubled in 10 years.

B@

And what possibly happened a bit over 10 years ago that could perhaps explain why the figures have gone as far as they have ...?

From the noriousky facistic Guardian...

UK nationals accounted for 49% of rough sleepers in the capital. Rough sleepers from central European countries, including Romania, Poland, Lithuania and Bulgaria accounted for 31% of the total.

The failure of some people to graps that begging in 'austerity' Britain is preferable to life in their own counties for a considerable miniority of some Europeans is a constant feature on these pages.

But don't worry Corbyn has promised to oppose a 'no deal' brexit and (given that it seems impossible to get the deal the EU re offering past parliament) that makes him a defacto supporter for rescinding article 50.....

Which is a quite a change around from a long history of being a staunch advocate for leaving the EU....

Still I'm am sure hell keep a striaght face when he tells us that Labour would end rough sleeping within a first term they were in parliament..... And we would all be totally surprised if, far from a achieving this goal undrdo a potential Labour govement that, the numbers continued to grow.

 

[Mason-]

My conjecture, the forum would be divided 30% left 50% centre 20% right. 65/35 remainer/leaver. And about 65/35 (Lab/LD/Green etc.)/(Tory/UKIP/BXP etc.)

 

[FishFluff]

People begging on the street has certainly increased in Leeds. There’s the genuinely homeless ones who live in pop up tents everywhere and then there’s the aggressive spiceheads. There’s plenty of shelter spaces in Leeds, but there are complex reasons that some choose not to use them. Yeah, lots of them drink or take drugs, but those are symptoms of something else usually.

There really isn’t a ‘one size fits all’ solution to the problem (well, I mean, I’m sure some GD posters would have one, but I meant a non-murdery one).

 

[B@Th*nG]

And what possibly happened a bit over 10 years ago that could perhaps explain why the figures have gone as far as they have ...?

From the noriousky facistic Guardian...


But don't worry Corbyn has promised to oppose a 'no deal' brexit and (given that it seems impossible to get the deal the EU re offering past parliament) that makes him a defacto supporter for rescinding article 50.....

Which is a quite a change around from a long history of being a staunch advocate for leaving the EU....

Still I'm am sure hell keep a striaght face when he tells us that Labour would end rough sleeping within a first term they were in parliament..... And we would all be totally surprised if, far from a achieving this goal undrdo a potential Labour govement that, the numbers continued to grow.

Key phrase here being "in the capital"

https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/new...in-homelessness-services-charities-warn-61149

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...addiction-homelessness-services-a8983271.html

https://www.bigissue.com/latest/dra...ness-services-are-a-matter-of-life-and-death/

https://www.bbc.com/news/education-48023750

Government cuts are directly responsible for the 165% rise in homelessness. We haven't had a 165% rise in immigration in the last 10 years. The blood is on your hands, Tory. Let's not pretend the socialist wouldn't put money into public services either..

B@

 

[shauncr91]

Sheffield is terrible for it too, and has gotten considerably worse in recent years. I once worked out that if I walked from my favourite bar to the train station (Around 15mins) it would have cost me £11 if I gave every begger a quid.

It's not pleasant and Police really need to start moving them on.

 

[Caracus2k]

Key phrase here being "in the capital"


Government cuts are directly responsible for the 165% rise in homelessness. We haven't had a 165% rise in immigration. The blood is on your hands, Tory. Let's not pretend the bloody socialist wouldn't put money into public services either..

B@

You don't need a 165% rise in immigration to give you a 165% rise in rough sleepers....

I know figures and stats aren't a socialists stong points but if a disproportionate amount of the immigrants coming are beggars then you can see a wild increase in begging numbers.

Given that 31% of all London rough sleepers are from 'Central Europe' its a fair assumption that a disproportionate amount of eu migrants are indeed rough sleepers as 31% of the overall population of London aren't from Central Europe.

The socialists consistently destroy the economy and run out of other people's money to steal....the poor then starve

You are not compassionate, you are immoral, we can all remember 'the socialist' (Corbyn) gushing over how Venezuela was an example of how a countrty could be run to the benefit of the poor.

Professional eastern/central European beggars are far from a London exclusive phenomenon and London by its size, location and status accounts for a considerable chunk of overall homelessness figures

A city centre beggar once found by police to be carrying £515 in cash has been deported

Ludovic Gabor has been sent back to Romania after being arrested again for begging

Of course we don't actually know what the really figures for European rough sleepers are (and what percentage they really are of the estimates) as there is a concerted (official) effort to hide the details of the people involved.....

Councils refusing to reveal data of rough sleepers to Home Office

 

[Combat squirrel]

Yeah yeah sure, lots of brexiters, it is rather appalling really, 52% of the 17 million who voted really are rather appalling really. Good thing you guys aren't the sort to "speak vile cruel things about humanity" and "you care about helping your fellow man" Shame 52% of your fellow man are appalling though isn't it.

Yes this, pretty much! - you know why ? At first brexiteers wanted to leave the EU, with a deal, and have money for the NHS apparently (you had to be god damn thick to believe that), then all that went down the pan, then they say they were happy with a rubbish deal that OBVIOUSLY leaves the UK worse off - and now some brexiters are more than happy with a no deal which will devastate the UK.

They had no idea what they were voting for, what they voted for has changed more times than a chameleon & the direction the UK is taking, led by harder and harder right leaders directly in to trumps arms and they STILL seem to be ok with it, says it all - mind you thankfully I am seeing SOME brexiteers murming now that they didn't vote for a no deal - but the right wing voters are just screaming louder they want to leave at all costs, even costs that will end the UK as a leading country.

And back closer on discussion, some of the excuses iv seen from pro brexit people on here get more and more ludicrous as time goes on, as the goal posts shifted over 3 years, they just lapped it up and insisted 'thats what they always wanted' - sure sure, you were not even aware of stuff thats happening now 3 years ago lol

Sadly one of my mates in stoke (a largely pro brexit region) who voted leave, is loosing their job, they worked in the EU fundings department at a uni - I mean, you couldn't make it up - I have little sympathy, I simply suggested what did they think would happen, much like all brexiteers who are silent when you ask them the benefit of leaving - they had no reply why they lost their job and it was rather silly to vote leave.

Its this astonishing stupidity that results in the left hammering the right and constantly questioning because 'we' have not had a single answer that makes any sense yet !