Police dealing with incident on London Bridge amid reports of shots fired

Azza · 30 Nov 2019 at 10:07

Minstadave said:
Clearly people have missed a trick. I'm expecting all police to armed with Narwhal tusks in future. Legendary.

Instead of those little plastic telescopic batons they have.

RxR · 30 Nov 2019 at 10:08

It's good to see they shot the *******

LOAM · 30 Nov 2019 at 10:32

inferno said:
The Judge that reduced his sentenced needs to be fired. Disgraceful, you just need to look at him to know he is a danger.

Hahahaha the theory of Cesare Lombroso was out of date in the 20th century nevermind the 21st.

VincentHanna · 30 Nov 2019 at 10:41

Lord-Jaffa said:
Didnt you just do exactly the same thing a few posts back by suggesting prisons are under funded by conservatives?

No. I stuck to facts and didn't mention conservatives

Greebo · 30 Nov 2019 at 10:51

Nasher said:
It's that or bring back the death penalty. Clearly we can't have nutters like this back on the street.

Death penalty for what crime though? He hadn't actually attacked anybody previously he was just found guilty of plotting to carry out an attack. So in order for your system to work we will have to implement the death penalty for people who haven't yet carried anything out and were caught planning a crime.

So for starters there were 738 homicides last year so thats 738 people put to death. There are around another 1300 attempted murder so they will need killing as well.

You then probably need to include everybody who goes out armed with a knife so thats another 45,000 people per year. Thats a lot of the population to put to death to each year.

You can see this is a dangerous road.

Nasher · 30 Nov 2019 at 10:52

Planning mass murder is a pretty serious crime though?

Once someone crosses that line there isn't much hope of redeeming them.

Greebo · 30 Nov 2019 at 10:55

dowie said:
Strict supervision? Really?

So again, in reality, he got 8 years...

Seems like a rather short sentence to give to someone who wanted to carry out a terror attack. Should have been more like 40 years if not for the rest of his life.

Hey not my fault if there isnt the manpower or money to carry out the strict supervision properly or the fact in this country most sentences are reduced by 50% for good behaviour etc.

The probation service was privatised in 2014 so perhaps that will end up being a factor in this case.

Point is you are wrong when you state he only got sentences to 8 years. If he had, he would have been out in 4 years.

And if you arent happy with the length of sentencing for certain crimes then please vote for a govt who will introduce longer sentencing and build more prisons and spend more money on the prison service.. Oh wait, you voted just the opposite and are now complaining. :rolleyes:

mmj_uk · 30 Nov 2019 at 10:56

Jokester said:
Cuffed the guy when he was restrained *shrug*.

I saw some wider angled footage of it yesterday and there appeared to be 3 armed police stood surrounding him about about 3 yards away while the heroic member of public wrestled with him, it begs the question for me why they didn't help to restrain him if they thought he had an explosive vest on, standing 3 yards away with a gun isn't much defence against high explosives.

Like you have said in one of your posts I think the saving grace here is that the vest wasn't genuine because he was afforded plenty of opportunity to detonate it the way the situation was dealt with.

Greebo · 30 Nov 2019 at 10:56

Nasher said:
Planning mass murder is a pretty serious crime though?

Once someone crosses that line there isn't much hope of redeeming them.

Ah so death penalty only for planning mass murder then? So if an Islamic Terrorist only only planned to stab one person they wont get the death penalty and will just get 16 years then? You see how complicated it soon becomes?

Lord-Jaffa · 30 Nov 2019 at 11:28

Greebo said:
Hey not my fault if there isnt the manpower or money to carry out the strict supervision properly or the fact in this country most sentences are reduced by 50% for good behaviour etc.

The probation service was privatised in 2014 so perhaps that will end up being a factor in this case.

Point is you are wrong when you state he only got sentences to 8 years. If he had, he would have been out in 4 years.

And if you arent happy with the length of sentencing for certain crimes then please vote for a govt who will introduce longer sentencing and build more prisons and spend more money on the prison service.. Oh wait, you voted just the opposite and are now complaining.

What party is campaigning for longer sentences?

dowie · 30 Nov 2019 at 11:29

Greebo said:
Point is you are wrong when you state he only got sentences to 8 years. If he had, he would have been out in 4 years.

Nope, you're wrong. Where did I state he got sentenced to 8 years? I'm referring to what it actually amounted to and that is that he only got 8 years. His sentence was for longer than that in theory but in reality 8 years is what it amounted to.

And if you arent happy with the length of sentencing for certain crimes then please vote for a govt who will introduce longer sentencing and build more prisons and spend more money on the prison service.. Oh wait, you voted just the opposite and are now complaining.

You're completely missing the point - I'm criticising the status quo (not that I think Comrade Corbyn would have changed anything here either). Boris does appear to be pledging to review sentencing though.

KiNgPiN83 · 30 Nov 2019 at 11:36

Caracus2k said:
Having not been presented with anything that suggests a non custodial sentence for a fanatical terrorist would likely rehabilitate them either I'll settle for a point of view that certain people should remain incaserated if only to protect the public from what they would do otherwise.

I’m not going to lie, I’m sure trying to de-radicalise someone isn’t a straightforward process. However I think a lot of these people are naturally suggestible and susceptible to falling into this kind of ideology. I mean these organisations prey on these types as they are useful cannon fodder. So maybe they could be de radicalised under certain circumstances? Although I doubt it would be cheap and would require a lot of specialist people/services.

However in saying the above if we don’t have any rehabilitation system like that then there’s no other option other than locking them up for longer and keeping them away from others.

Uther · 30 Nov 2019 at 11:37

dowie said:
Under a different conservative government - AFAIK Boris has pledged to review sentencing for serious offences, I don't recall Comrade Corbyn being super keen on it.

In fact his past history has been to get rather chummy with terrorists.

Wait, your trying to pin this Tory failure on Corbyn too? Amazing.

Dis86 · 30 Nov 2019 at 11:43

Uther said:
Wait, your trying to pin this Tory failure on Corbyn too? Amazing.

A stronger opposition could have been beneficial though! Kinda. Maybe.

Caracus2k · 30 Nov 2019 at 11:43

KiNgPiN83 said:
I’m not going to lie, I’m sure trying to de-radicalise someone isn’t a straightforward process.

I'm not saying it's impossible but when I have read about people that have renounced some form of extremism it's always been something that they did by working through it themselves. Like with Majid Naawaz who started to go against his previous extremism whilst in prison in Egypt.

Caracus2k · 30 Nov 2019 at 11:50

Uther said:
Wait, your trying to pin this Tory failure on Corbyn too? Amazing.

How is it a tory failure?

He was intitally sentenced to an indeterminate sentence under a coalition govement based on sentencing guidelines in place since before the govement were in power, he appealed and the sentence was reduced?

Unless the 'failure' is you think the tories should have somehow prevented terrorists from appealing their sentences?

He wasn't released because the govement decided to go soft om terrorists. He was released earlier as he appealed his sentence and was successful!

Gypo · 30 Nov 2019 at 12:21

Well well well....he's from OCUK land here in Stoke, in the same town I was born in and work in.

Be interesting to see if he has links to the local imam who was arrested for terrorism not too long ago!

enkoda · 30 Nov 2019 at 12:33

Gypo said:
Well well well....he's from OCUK land here in Stoke, in the same town I was born in and work in.

Be interesting to see if he has links to the local imam who was arrested for terrorism not too long ago!

According to Sky News he was a student and close friend of Anjem Choudary.

Quartz · 30 Nov 2019 at 12:45

I'm somewhat surprised someone didn't grab Sir William Walworth's dagger (upstairs in Fishmongers' Hall). I think he would have approved of its use in defending London from this scrote.

VincentHanna · 30 Nov 2019 at 12:47

Sad that there's people out there creating/sharing fake crap like this:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tter-hoax-fake-terror-shot-dead-a9226866.html