Some thread about the London congestion charge

[Mrwong]

@Mrwong your proposal seem incredibly ill-considered.

Why not sit down (away from the keyboard), think through and put forward some proposals that might actually make sense, test them out here and then start an apolitical petition?

What proposal? I never started that vote.
Either you ban cars from London, or you extend the congestion charge ring to the outskirts of London stopping people who don't live in London from traveling in.
Every second plus car registered to an address in London needs to pay a charge.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

Is it still true that the Congestion Charge system would actually lose money if everyone paid on time and there were no fines?

 

[Mrwong]

Is it still true that the Congestion Charge system would actually lose money if everyone paid on time and there were no fines?

Not sure of that's true.

 

[FortuitousFluke]

I thought the OP was moving to Milton Keynes? Why the fuss?

 

[bris]

You know public transportation fares are rising too, the biggest rise in years.

Compared to the cost of running a car? The parking charges alone in the city centres costs far more than bus ride into the city centre.

 

[Mrwong]

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I thought the OP was moving to Milton Keynes? Why the fuss?

I am looking around that area, buying a house is not like going to a shop to buy some sweets.

 

[Freakbro]

I am looking around that area, buying a house is not like going to a shop to buy some sweets.

Well, it's not far off....

A third of homebuyers spend less than 30 minutes choosing a home

https://www.whatmortgage.co.uk/news/third-homebuyers-spend-less-30-minutes-choosing-home/

 

[muon]

Why would i want to sign **** like this.

His record is a catastrophe which we are demanding democratic you sack him otherwise the problem will get worse.

I could says paragraphs more but will keep very short....

Anyone reckon this is a fake petition. I would love to see the signatory list and see how many are fake.

The funny thing is he can't be sacked. He is the elected Mayor of London. Removing him from power would be undemocratic.

I actually think if the UK had a black or asian prime minister it would blow so many people's minds.

 

[VincentHanna]

The guy who wrote it probably doesn't have English as his first language.

More like Russian.

 

[muon]

The guy who wrote it probably doesn't have English as his first language.

More like Russian.

Exactly what I'm thinking.

 

[FortuitousFluke]

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I am looking around that area, buying a house is not like going to a shop to buy some sweets.

Yes, but presumably if by some miracle this petition manages to oust the mayor and the congestion charge is immediately removed, all road works are ended, and the diesel hatchbacks rise up and enslave all of the cyclists, forcing them to work in the tyre mines of Clapham, you won't benefit, as you'll be out of London by then.

I genuinely don't know why you'd want to encourage more driving in central London, the pollution is knocking years off your life as it is, you want to throw a couple more down the drain for the privilege of being able to sit in gridlock without paying for it?

 

[loftie]

How long have you lived in London? I've been here 30 years and you clearly have no idea what it was like before the congestion charge. The charge also isn't 2 years old unless you have an agenda of some kind.

I suspect given the petition you posted, we all know what that is.

Why don't you cycle? Then you can stop complaining about the changes in roads trying to make it safe for cyclists.

Also live in London, no-one likes the congestion charge but it's necessary. Grandparents lived in central when they were alive and traffic has improved since the congestions charge was introduced IMHO. Interestingly I have cousins who have started their own petition about it due to the effect it'll have on the older Italian generation going to the Italian church in Clerkenwell yet they don't seem to understand that the pandemic that's caused all the recent problems is still around and travelling into central London to go to church (aka socialise) is a daft idea - though oddly enough they understand enough that they don't want them on public transport

As for who's to blame, while Khan was told to increase, IIRC, the frequency and scope of it but I don't think they said anything specific (that we know of).

 

[Mrwong]

Anyone reckon this is a fake petition. I would love to see the signatory list and see how many are fake.

The funny thing is he can't be sacked. He is the elected Mayor of London. Removing him from power would be undemocratic.

Yes, but presumably if by some miracle this petition manages to oust the mayor and the congestion charge is immediately removed, all road works are ended, and the diesel hatchbacks rise up and enslave all of the cyclists, forcing them to work in the tyre mines of Clapham, you won't benefit, as you'll be out of London by then.

I genuinely don't know why you'd want to encourage more driving in central London, the pollution is knocking years off your life as it is, you want to throw a couple more down the drain for the privilege of being able to sit in gridlock without paying for it?

They are doing away with the ev exemption aswell., and those cars do not pollute at usage only at energy source.

 

[Mrwong]

Also live in London, no-one likes the congestion charge but it's necessary. Grandparents lived in central when they were alive and traffic has improved since the congestions charge was introduced IMHO. Interestingly I have cousins who have started their own petition about it due to the effect it'll have on the older Italian generation going to the Italian church in Clerkenwell yet they don't seem to understand that the pandemic that's caused all the recent problems is still around and travelling into central London to go to church (aka socialise) is a daft idea - though oddly enough they understand enough that they don't want them on public transport

As for who's to blame, while Khan was told to increase, IIRC, the frequency and scope of it but I don't think they said anything specific (that we know of).

There was no mention of anything specific, it was TFL interpretation of it.

Plus increasing public transport costs and reducing capacity on numbers able to travel will cause all sorts of problems.

If public transportation could not cope before how is it going to cope now?

I never understood the reduction in hours of shops and other public facilities, for example the sorts office for collections is open from 7 am to 9 am the amount of people queueing is insane, it goes from the royal mail office along the path onto the public pavement and down the main street.

Seriously they need to extend the hours, it is pretty perverse thinking to reduce hours when it should be the opposite to reduce clusters.

 

[stockhausen]

They are doing away with the ev exemption as well., and those cars do not pollute at usage only at energy source.

Added to this, they are "Virtual" cars and so don't contribute in any way to congestion - No siree!

You seem to be kinda missing the point of a "Congestion" Charge mate.

Go on, shuffle off to Milton Keynes.

 

[Mrwong]

Added to this, they are "Virtual" cars and so don't contribute in any way to congestion - No siree!

You seem to be kinda missing the point of a "Congestion" Charge mate.

Go on, shuffle off to Milton Keynes.

It was sold to londoners as a pollution reducing scheme, provide better quality transport most of the conditions set have not been achieved.
It has caused congestion around the CC zone to insane levels.

The congestion has been created by TFL road works, converting 2 way roads into one way, restricting lanes etc.
The whole traffic flow in London is a shambles, because of the crappy alterations to London roads.

There should be a bike tax to pay for all the cycle lanes.

I would prefer it to be extended to zones 5 or 6.

And yes I will be leaving London a dirty city, falling apart in many ways.

 

[Stolly]

I'm all in favour of congestion charging. Should be a larger zone, and should be done in various cities and towns.

 

[Mrwong]

I'm all in favour of congestion charging. Should be a larger zone, and should be done in various cities and towns.

You say that now, later you realise how poor public transportation is in London, let's not talk about the dirt.

 

[Greebo]

Totally agree with the congestion charges. If you dont like it buy an EV or use public transport.

 

[muon]

You say that now, later you realise how poor public transportation is in London, let's not talk about the dirt.

Lol. It's one of the best transport networks in the world. You are just deluded.

Only the largest cities in the word rival the capacity and reach of the London transport networks.

The congestion charge should be set high enough that traffic/pollution is at the levels authorities want.

Even black cabs and minicabs are being forced to become EV. Even EV won't be exempt in a few years as congestion would otherwise rise as people switch over to EV.