Keeping up with the Markles

It has to be said, it’s incredibly distasteful. You don’t air your dirty laundry in public like that. Fair enough if someone made a racist comment, out that person and deal with it accordingly. Megan comes across as an incredibly manipulative woman. Great promotion for them in the states though, it’s great for their future streaming deals.

I also hope it works out between Harry and Megan, because Harry has burnt some of the most important bridges.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
It has to be said, it’s incredibly distasteful. You don’t air your dirty laundry in public like that. Fair enough if someone made a racist comment, out that person and deal with it accordingly. Megan comes across as an incredibly manipulative woman. Great promotion for them in the states though, it’s great for their future streaming deals.

I also hope it works out between Harry and Megan, because Harry has burnt some of the most important bridges.
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Its a bit of a cheek really considering the racist things that Harry has said in the past (calling an Indian Asian guy the P word and making reference to another looking like a "Raghead") , I'd be strung up, lose my job and be banned from everywhere if I used those terms.
 
Im not buying much of it to be honest. Harry suddenly seems naïve to the whole press thing, dispute that before marriage their a lots of briefings about what it can be like etc. The "Suicide" thing I dont really buy, of course extremely serious topic, but havign dealt with that first hand that takes years to get to terms with, and you can change your scenery as mush as you like, you simply never get over that in such a short amount of time no matter where you move to. Harry saying he was financially cut off when he was explicitly told this woudl happen as this is standard, the whole thing about not getting security when this is standard etc.
 
deuse said:
So all this happened 100s a years ago.
And as you said "It belong to the crown" and they cam give it to anyone they want to.

It's a bit like I'm giving my land\home to my family.
Happens all the time...
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Pretty much everything belonged to the Crown back then, the Crown was the State. The Crown granted lands and titles, the Crown could seize lands and take back titles. The Crown isn't the State now though, not in a sense the population would agree with. So these lands should belong to the State and the wealth they generate shouldn't line the pockets of royalty. They should get a job like the rest of us. The Queen being the exception. I'd like to see an exact breakdown of her wealth and were it all came from.

If you had been granted lands by the Crown/State and passed them on when you died I'd have issue with that. So its not the same at all.
 
dowie said:
not exactly the only royals to have flirted with Nazi stuff (granted this was pre-war) - Queen mother + the Queen:

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to be fair this one was as a joke but probs a bad idea in retrospect:

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No they have a terrible history on that front. I wouldn't hold what Harry did against him, it was stupid but he was a teenager, christ I did some really stupid things when I was a teenager.

The point is they are making a comparison. They even chose a picture where Simpson is wearing a very similar dress. They aren't even attempting to disguise the hit job.
 
It seems pretty fake tbh. Every time I see any media from them it never seems sincere. Not sure why.

The US are loving a good brit bashing. It's just ultimate reality style rubbish tbh but for some reason it seems more fake than even the worst reality show.

Even Oprah loves a bit of staged performance interviewing. Harry and Megan are clearly tapped
 
She's a billionaire because people like this drivel of examining family disputes.

Still tasteless as hell to be anyone selling family drama for publicity and cash on her stage.
 
hurfdurf said:
The more I think about this the more appalling I realise it is that you would attempt to leverage your own domestic abuse and, without any evidence, try and project it onto Harry, who is is protecting his wife the way he wishes someone protected his mother.
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And the more you respond, the more you sound like those who enable and belittle people who have experienced such things and seen others try to rationalise or normalise such behaviours as ok.

You also appear to be ascribing a negativity to my view that I've been careful to spell out I'm not implying. I'm not suggesting that the duchess is intentionally setting out to drive the result that is occurring, nor that Harry is acting out of coercion not love and a desire to protect. I'm instead arguing that the end result is unhealthy, which is a slightly different argument. An unhealthy or abusive relationship doesn't require hate, nor does it require malice, that's just more myths.

The problem is, and I fully accept this, that some situations or behaviours can be viewed in many different ways. Suicidal thoughts or threats of suicide can be both a reaction to a situation and a means of control, and when you love someone, it can be impossible to spot the difference, because when you love someone, you lose objectivity. I know this, I've been there.

Ultimately, I think they need help, they don't need vilification, but they also don't need to be enabled. As a couple, they are reinforcing each others negative behaviours, and that's not healthy.

I'm still not sure whether I can watch the full interview, as I've said, much of it hits too close to home. I don't wish them ill in any way, but I also won't pretend that what they are showing the world is healthy and normal, because it isn't.
 
Hotwired said:
You just did it again. You accuse "the palace" and "the royal family" and "PR" all at the same time and simultaneously exclude the queen as I predicted.

It is my commentary on people, such as yourself, being willing to vaguely accuse "them" in "the royal family" for wrongdoing but you can't bring yourself to directly put these claims on the person responsible for the royal family. This is entirely the opposite of bashing any other organisation.
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Sorry do you think she is responsible for everything they say and do? She is the Queen not a deity. The reason I said I doubt the Queen would do such a thing is partly because she'd never want it to get out and partly because I imagine she believes she is above such things.

You can make any commentary you like. To be honest you just sound ridiculous or naïve, maybe a bit of both.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
No they have a terrible history on that front. I wouldn't hold what Harry did against him, it was stupid but he was a teenager, christ I did some really stupid things when I was a teenager.
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You're doing it wrong, these days there is no opportunity for redemption - get the pitchforks out, everybody! :D
 
Mr_Cool said:
Yeah defo not impossible but unlikely as you said. If that happened the media and the royals would have a field day...Sure there would be cheating allegations being peddled from within and outside the palace amongst other things.

Genetics is are interesting though, a relative of mine is mixed race(black & white parents) and her children have a white father.
One of her children could easily be assumed as having two white parents.
Where as the others not so much.
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What's so interesting?

Their grandparents are 75% white and 25% black.

So it's obvious they were always going to favour white over black.
 
hurfdurf said:
Harry has served in Afghan for 10+ years. I think he’s big and brave enough to be making his own decisions at this point.

What evidence have you got that shows he has been manipulated and isn’t making these decisions himself? Or are you just needlessly projecting your own abuse onto him?

Because he has very articulately and reasonably explained why he wanted out. Do you think he’s lying and being forced to say it? Do you doubt the trauma he claims to have from his mothers death whilst being hounded by the same people who are hounding him?
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Harry served in afghan for 10+ years?

Please. He served in Afghanistan as much as I served in world war 2.

Given a safe seat and never in harm's way.
 
hurfdurf said:
Which is exactly what they have done. They have removed themselves, control their media appearances, and challenge lies in the media and invasions of privacy. But for some reason people hate them for it.
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Eh? They've got a podcast, a deal with Netflix, appeared on James Cordon, appeared on Opera... new announcements are made with pro-photo shoots etc... the wedding was some huge deal that cost millions etc..
 
All very fake and more than faintly ridiculous.

They want their privacy - so go on Oprah and unnecessarily rake up all sorts of very personal family stuff - including sticking the knife into dad - oh but Harry is going to "make it his mission" to mend the relationship - well not off to a good start there are you son .....

Lets drop the sister-in-law in it too whilst we are at it. Plus then the racist comment thing - where they wont name the person - but it makes good TV and points the finger at a whole host of relatives - guaranteed to run and run in the media.

All done with the certain knowledge that the Royal family wont answer back.

Sit back and watch the dollars role in.
 
Dirk Diggler said:
Actually, they do get to do that. Just because they use their celebrity to further their financial interest it didn't give the scum press to print any lies they like. If they (H&M) take exception to a particular press article then they haven't negated their right to complain or pursue legal action just because they did a magazine article previously.
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That's rather different, anyone has the right to pursue legal action if things are published that step over the line, that isn't what is being referred to though.
 
dowie said:
That's rather different, anyone has the right to pursue legal action if things are published that step over the line, that isn't what is being referred to though.
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Really, so what's being referred to when you say "what they don't get to do is to actively court publicity and then moan about the publicity they don't like".
 
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