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A few months away but why not have a thread for discussion around this event.
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Intel Arc Gameplay Trailer | The Game Awards 2021 | Intel Graphics
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I really hope Intel knock it out of the park with this, We need a 3rd company in play to bring the prices back down to sane levels, Both AMD and Nvidia have gotten immensely greedy, I just hope Intel don't follow suit as I can see the ever increasing prices of GPU's eventually being detrimental to the long term health of the PC gaming market.
Based on past practice when Intel dominated the cpu market they excelled at greed. Minor cpu increments annually, charge a premium, stick with 4 cores mainstream and change the socket frequently to force motherboard changes with most generation updates. Doubt they would change their habits.
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The hope is based on Intel not having a dominant position in the dGPU market. Completely the opposite - they currently have a 0% market share and they're going up against a well established duopoly. Maybe, just maybe, Intel will be willing and able to bring viable budget and midrange cards to market in adequate quantities and at high (rather than extremely, ludicrously high) prices. That would be a viable route to greater profit by taking market share. It wouldn't require Intel suddenly not being greedy. 50% of the market at a smaller margin can be more profit than 5% of the market at a bigger margin. Bigger market share can be useful in establishing a brand, which can be useful in future profits. Massive amounts of free positive advertising also helps increase profit. Likewise for a highly positive image amongst potential customers. If Arc is competitive up to 3070/6700 levels and is available in quantity at around the MSRP for comparable nvidia and AMD cards, Intel will be the knight in shining armour riding to the rescue of PC gaming. Every hardware site in the world will be rushing to talk about it and everyone will be praising them. And buying their products. And seriously considering buying a future generation of dGPUs in their next upgrade. Lots of profit for Intel to be had that way, present and future.
I agree. At the moment, all we have is speculation about performance and a vague possible release date period. That's nothing to care much about. If I see hard performance data, genuine availability rather better than "you get a small chance occasionally if you have alerts set and you can drop everything at an instant's notice to buy immediately and you get lucky" and pricing that's not at a level even a scalper would be embarassed about charging, then I'll care. Until then, it may as well be a unicorn riding a dragon.
I agree Intel have been greedy monsters for a long time and they've been anti competitive and have stifled innovation but any 3rd player is to be welcomed. Intel is keeping AMD honest in the CPU space despite being on an ancient if incredibly efficient for it's antiquity process. A fourth player would be great too. Nvidia and AMD have a duopoly and if Intel want traction in the GPU space they'll at least need to begin with something competitive in terms of price/performance. Knowing Intel they'll probably try and charge a premium over the other two but hopefully consumers will knock them back. I'm sort of pleased my 4K monitor broke so 1080ti is fine for 1080p. This time next year hopefully things will be better.
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According to gamermeld 10%+ cheaper than nvidia with better performance
Sounds good but we will see
Sounds good but we will see
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While true for the most part you have to remember Intel have 0% of the dedicated GPU market so they need to entice customers and they won't do that if they are the same prices as AMD and Nvidia with what is essentially a beta test GPU as is normal for any 1st gen product.
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Im so glad everyone has confidence in Intel's GPU driver team.... guess they have never actually used the iGPU in an Intel cpu then
10% cheaper for the same performance doesn't look like going for the jugular.
Unless, Intel's MSRP is actually close to street price of course.
Still, Intel have a lot to prove with drivers. For me, it would be no good to have a card which varies from 90% to 110% of a 3070/6700, costs 10% less but whose performance is only true for 2021+ onward blockbusters.
Unless, Intel's MSRP is actually close to street price of course.
Still, Intel have a lot to prove with drivers. For me, it would be no good to have a card which varies from 90% to 110% of a 3070/6700, costs 10% less but whose performance is only true for 2021+ onward blockbusters.
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Better performance than what?
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3060 and 3070
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Bit ambitious but I hope they do it.
Just type " Gamer Meld" in google and see what gets suggested... Clickbait channel with made up rubbish... That's not a source to use or believe... Some silly youtuber that creates nothing but clickbait and made up stories or uses other clickbait channels "info" and media to copy the clickbait from.
Use a real tech source channel.
Gamer Meld are as useful as this guys clickbait channel :-
I haven’t seen anything that looks promising on these Arc GPUs that suggests they will upset the established Apple dart.
the arc has to be at least 60% of the current equivalent GPU costs for it to be marginally successful.
it’s OpenGL so driver needs to be polished. But likely not and will not have much optimisation in a lot of games.
Tho it might be quite interesting as mining cards.
the arc has to be at least 60% of the current equivalent GPU costs for it to be marginally successful.
it’s OpenGL so driver needs to be polished. But likely not and will not have much optimisation in a lot of games.
Tho it might be quite interesting as mining cards.
I thought AMD were going to be your saviour ?
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/34222574/
3rd player Intel is like inviting the devil to lunch with Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein. Intel will not be price cutting or doing anything that favours the customers, only thing they are doing now is taking up space at TSMC as that's where their gpu dies are made not even in their own fabs, so basically using up space AMD or Nvidia may have used and then remember the cards are put together somewhere too and again at same places AMD and Nvidia cards are put together so again taking up space there too.
Intel will not be helping with pricing, AMD is on a mission to play we are a premium product maker and will be pricing as high as anyone else and more (reality in the dgpu market they are seen as second class but trying to fight that image with high prices, you know because more expensive means better
), Nvidia well Nvidia is Nvidia they will try to empty your wallet faster than you can say hey that's John Travolta in your wallet...
Anyways good luck with future GPU prices... but I think yoda is right...
Also Intel is not keeping AMD honest in the CPU market, more like AMD kept Intel honest, don't be fooled by Intels cpu prices this gen, the real cost is the motherboard this time that is silly high and then if you want DDR5 version well good luck.. Z690 is a rip off for any decent motherboard. All Intel did was shift the cost of the CPU to the Z690 chipset that they make too and caused motherboards to get more expensive but made their cpus look cheaper than AMD, reality is price up an AMD x570 system and a Intel z690 DDR4 system with same motherboard maker and model and then you get the real price... Intel just tried to hide the cost of the full system and making it look like the motherboard makers are being greedy (which they are too) but reality is the Z690 intel chipset is a lot more expensive this time for motherboard makers to buy and has to be passsed on to their customers. It's all smoke and mirrors by Intel to hide the truth... wait for the dgpu magic tricks they will do...
Also expecting customers to knock them back regarding gpu prices ...well... that worked well this gen at 2X to 3X+ the msrp and out of stock all the time
?Customers have shown what they are willing to pay for a gpu and these companies have seen that now and well...
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Now go back and read yoda picture again..
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Soldato
Intel see what prices the other 2 are charging and still can't fulfil. There is ZERO chance INTEL will help gamers with lowering GPU prices
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UK will probably get about 500 cards in total anyway. Who would want to be an Intel dGPU early adopter in this climate ? Someone with spare cash to throw away.
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or miners....