32g 4400mhz with a ryzen 5 3600 issue

Baldbloke · 23 Jan 2022 at 14:54

I'm very much out of the current loop these days when it comes to memory. Your advice is appreciated.

I have a ryzen 5 3600 cpu. Recently, I purchased 32gb (4*8) 4400 ram.
It works fine when I use 2*8 at 4400mhz. I have an issue trying to get all four sticks running at 4400Mhz.
When I install all 4 sticks and try to run them at 4400 it fails to boot then defaults the bios to 1066 (2132). Tried as many variations as I can think of regards to trying them in the A and B slots. So for the moment I've settled on all 4 sticks running at 3600. It is happily working fine. No issues.
I'd like to utilise that extra speed though. 4400 would mean a slight increase in ram speed. I'd like to use it.

The ram itself seems fine. It passes memtest 100%. I've done quite a variety of swapping , mixing slots, changing bios settings. I haven't tried manually changing settings though. Relied mainly on msi "try it" utility in bios.

I could probably do a bit more fiddling with the bios. But is it worth it? A quick google suggests that the sweet spot for my ryzen 5 3600 is 3600Mhz. Latency increase means I'd lose any benefit of
Is it worth me fiddling any more?

Memory is Viper Steel Gaming Memory by Patriot - 4400MHZ BDIE
Motherboard MSI mpg B550 gaming edge

Journey · 23 Jan 2022 at 14:55

The IMC in the 3600 isn't going to do 4400MHz on 4 sticks.
You want to go for 3600/3800 1:1 IF with the tightest timings possible.

Baldbloke · 23 Jan 2022 at 15:12

Journey said:
The IMC in the 3600 isn't going to do 4400MHz on 4 sticks.
You want to go for 3600/3800 1:1 IF with the tightest timings possible.

Thank you Journey. I had a quick google of IMC after your post. It's hardly worth the effort and possible crashes to tweak it then. I'll stick with 3600Mhz on this cpu.
I have an urge to upgrade to a 5800X cpu some time soon (if I can get one at a reasonable used price). Would the 5800x work with 4400Mhz?

chroniclard · 23 Jan 2022 at 15:38

No, 5800 is highly unlikely to do 4400 either. Might get 3800 with decent timings. Dont focus too much on the big speed numbers, CL and timings are possibly more important than headline speeds on Ryzen.

3600 1:1 IF with tight timings are your sweet spot. (Or 3800 if you can manage it)

Kirby Wurm · 23 Jan 2022 at 21:47

I don't think any 5000 series chips will do 4400MHz without breaking the 1:1 ratio, the FCLK seems to top out at 1900MHz (with rare examples doing 2000MHz). I have the same RAM (only 16GB) and thanks to a suggested set of timings on this forum have just managed to get 3800MHz working at very tight timings (CL14) so as chroniclard suggested that or 3600MHz is your best bet.

Journey · 23 Jan 2022 at 22:04

The only CPU I can manage 1:1 IF at 2200MHz is my 5600G, but I run 2000MHz for tighter timings on the RAM most of the time.

I'll echo above, if you want to change wait for the 5800X3D sometime in the next few months(ish) and maybe swap to that if gaming is your main thing, it'll be the last CPU you'll get for the AM4 socket.

Guest2 · 23 Jan 2022 at 23:36

There are plenty of examples of Ryzen 5 3600, 5600, 5800, 5900, 5950 and others pushing over 4000Mhz / 2000 FCLK. It's generally quite hard as CPU, motherboard/BIOs and RAM dependant but possible. There are also voltage bugs with certain BIOS / AGESA updates.

Just look on this rather large thread - https://www.overclock.net/threads/o...24-7-memory-stability-thread.1628751/page-809

One example show is a 5600X. RAM is Gskill Silvercl17 4800
Running 4200/2100FCLK. CL14 1.62v. :eek:

I even managed to boot 2000Mhz / 2000FLCK on an early MEG Unify X570 beta bios on my 5800X. It was unstable as hell but did boot.

It's more and more looking like 3800 / 1900 is being the good 'normal' for Ryzen 5 along with CL14 being great and C16 being average. You can buy DDR4 4000Mhz CL14 RAM, i've seen reports of people clocking this down to 3800/1900IF C12 allbeit under a huge amount of voltage

Baldbloke · 23 Jan 2022 at 23:51

Thank you folks. I'll leave well enough alone for the time being. Leave it at 3600. I'd rather it was reliable than possibly crashing occasionally.

Guest2 · 24 Jan 2022 at 00:00

Baldbloke said:
Thank you folks. I'll leave well enough alone for the time being. Leave it at 3600. I'd rather it was reliable than possibly crashing occasionally.

Show us your Zentimings screenshot and AIDA64 cache and memory benchmark results. 4400Mhz C19 RAM should be able to easily do 3800 / 1900IF C16, maybe C14

E.g.
https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/qr36jm/patriot_viper_steel_4400mhz_5600x_aorus_pro_ac_oc/

One on there is "Patriot Viper blackout 4000CL19 kit running at 3800CL14 with 1.48V"

Journey · 24 Jan 2022 at 03:34

Guest2 said:
Show us your Zentimings screenshot and AIDA64 cache and memory benchmark results. 4400Mhz C19 RAM should be able to easily do 3800 / 1900IF C16, maybe C14

I think if you tackle the main issue in the OP, they are using 4 sticks of RAM, hence the issue.

Did you miss that? Just curious.

chroniclard · 24 Jan 2022 at 04:53

Bear in mind tuning timings is a time consuming ball ache. :cry:

Baldbloke · 24 Jan 2022 at 07:47

Guest2 said:
Show us your Zentimings screenshot and AIDA64 cache and memory benchmark results. 4400Mhz C19 RAM should be able to easily do 3800 / 1900IF C16, maybe C14

E.g.
https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocki...ot_viper_steel_4400mhz_5600x_aorus_pro_ac_oc/
https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocki...ot_viper_steel_4400mhz_5600x_aorus_pro_ac_oc/
One on there is "Patriot Viper blackout 4000CL19 kit running at 3800CL14 with 1.48V"

I really thank everyone for their interest and advising me on this. Going from 3600 to 3800 would mean around 5% increase. Not really worth it when I could potentially be introducing reliability problems.

chroniclard said:
Bear in mind tuning timings is a time consuming ball ache.

This

Gone are the days when I would pore over specs and experiment with settings for the fun of it. And it really was fun seeing how far I could overclock. That was 10 years ago though. These days I'm happier with a reliable pc as opposed to a pc running at the edge of its limits.

Guest2 · 24 Jan 2022 at 08:55

Journey said:
I think if you tackle the main issue in the OP, they are using 4 sticks of RAM, hence the issue.

Did you miss that? Just curious.

Yep, I got that and that it works with 2 x 8gb stick, just not 4 x 8. It's harder with 4 sticks but they can still be over/under clocked and timing tweaked. It's 4400MHz BDie C19 here, not some 3200 Hynix junk.

Baldbloke said:
I really thank everyone for their interest and advising me on this. Going from 3600 to 3800 would mean around 5% increase. Not really worth it when I could potentially be introducing reliability problems.

This Gone are the days when I would pore over specs and experiment with settings for the fun of it. And it really was fun seeing how far I could overclock. That was 10 years ago though. These days I'm happier with a reliable pc as opposed to a pc running at the edge of its limits.

Have you even tried 3800/1900 IF C16?

You can always experiment, just remember to backup BIOS to USB stick. If it doesnt POST, clear CMOS and load BIOS from stick. When you have working timings, take a few quick pictures of your settings.