Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Sankari said:
Starting to get sticky for Putin.

'Researchers say Russia's invasion reaching deadly stalemate.'



Can Zelensky turtle for the win?
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I know you didn't ask me and I know I've said this so many times in this thread already but nope.

There is no scenario where Ukraine come out with a win unless allies (mainly USA) take a gamble and give more support either in offensive weaponry or do airstrikes on Russian forces, but that would risk Putin using nukes.
Putin can just sit back and bomb Zelensky into submission right now.

People are claiming all sorts of losses for Russia, some say a flat tyre stopped the convoy others claimed Russia would have run out of bombs/missiles a week ago. There are other claims of thousands upon thousands of Russian vehicles destroyed.

If people were to believe the news from Twitter you would think Russia are getting slaughtered and have zero chance of even maintaining this attack let alone a win.
If it were true then Zelensky wouldn't need to beg for some kind of peace deal with Russia almost every single day, he wouldn't be begging for more assistance, he wouldn't say this is WW3 if help doesn't come.

I feel for Zelensky as he has done great to motivate the people to fight but there has to come a point where you look at all the destruction and dead bodies around you and think ok let's just agree to Putins demands no matter how bitter a pill they are to swallow.
 
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dowie said:
Also, since it's Russia we're talking about, there are other questions too like do they actually work/exist as claimed etc.. so far this recent use is a bit sus:

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I've being saying for ages that Russia don't have the number of these they claim are ready to go. They say they have them, but the Kinzhal is basically just the business end of an Iskander-M so technically they aren't lying and they do have them - they're just not in the form they claim. I'd also say that ones seen in the photos are just prototypes and/or fibreglass mock-ups.
 
Amnesia said:
I know you didn't ask me and I know I've said this so many times in this thread already but nope.

There is no scenario where Ukraine come out with a win unless allies (mainly USA) take a gamble and give more support either in offensive weaponry or do airstrikes on Russian forces, but that would risk Putin using nukes.
Putin can just sit back and bomb Zelensky into submission right now.

People are claiming all sorts of losses for Russia, some say a flat tyre stopped the convoy others claimed Russia would have run out of bombs/missiles a week ago. There are other claims of thousands upon thousands of Russian vehicles destroyed.

If people were to believe the news from Twitter you would think Russia are getting slaughtered and have zero chance of even maintaining this attack let alone winning.
If it were true then Zelensky wouldn't need to beg for some kind of peace deal with Russia almost every single day, he wouldn't be begging for more assistance, he wouldn't say this is WW3 if help doesn't come.

I feel for Zelensky as he has done great to motivate the people to fight but there has to come a point where you look at all the destruction and dead bodies around you and think ok let's just agree to Putins demands no matter how bitter a pill they are to swallow.
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Problem with posts like yours, and indeed the one you replied to is that the definition of win will be different in different peoples eyes, such is the way with complex situations.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Problem with posts like yours, and indeed the one you replied to is that the definition of win will be different in different peoples eyes, such is the way with complex situations.
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Putin puts demands on the table, Zelensky agrees with 9/10.
If anyone sees that as a Ukrainian victory then its time to be celebrating and pop the champagne.
 
Amnesia said:
I know you didn't ask me and I know I've said this so many times in this thread already but nope.

There is no scenario where Ukraine come out with a win unless allies (mainly USA) take a gamble and give more support either in offensive weaponry or do airstrikes on Russian forces, but that would risk Putin using nukes.
Putin can just sit back and bomb Zelensky into submission right now.

People are claiming all sorts of losses for Russia, some say a flat tyre stopped the convoy others claimed Russia would have run out of bombs/missiles a week ago. There are other claims of thousands upon thousands of Russian vehicles destroyed.

If people were to believe the news from Twitter you would think Russia are getting slaughtered and have zero chance of even maintaining this attack let alone a win.
If it were true then Zelensky wouldn't need to beg for some kind of peace deal with Russia almost every single day, he wouldn't be begging for more assistance, he wouldn't say this is WW3 if help doesn't come.

I feel for Zelensky as he has done great to motivate the people to fight but there has to come a point where you look at all the destruction and dead bodies around you and think ok let's just agree to Putins demands no matter how bitter a pill they are to swallow.
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I don't think Ukraine can 'win' i.e. push Russian forces totally out of Ukraine (or even to pre-war borders) either. It does however seem like Ukraine may possibly be able to fight them to a standstill which could result in a better negotiating position to end the war. It's absolutely factual that Russia is taking massive (catastrophic even) losses of equipment and manpower. Take a look at this list (everything on there is verified with photographic evidence): https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html. The maintainers of that list admit that they can no longer keep up due to the difficulty of verifying everything, meaning the actual numbers (both sides) are higher. The US (conservative) estimate of 7000 KIA won't just be a number plucked from thin air, it'll no doubt be based off of satellite pictures of the aftermath of fighting.

I've no doubt that Ukraine are taking huge military losses also although we hear about them less for obvious reasons. But the fact Russia is only making very slow gains along with Ukraine having the advantage of defending + the population clearly supports the military means it's far from as one sided as you seem to think. All this is also happening against impending economic doom back home for Russia.
 
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RobHu said:
The US (conservative) estimate of 7000 KIA won't just be a number plucked from thin air, it'll no doubt be based off of satellite pictures of the aftermath of fighting.

I've no doubt that Ukraine are taking huge military losses also although we hear about them less for obvious reasons. But the fact Russia is only making very slow gains along with Ukraine having the advantage of defending + the population clearly supports the military means it's far from as one sided as you seem to think. All this is also happening against impending economic doom back home for Russia.
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I didn't say or believe it's one sided, that 7k troops loss for Russia is one I agreed with and even quoted the same figure myself yesterday but just because Russia is standing outside cities and bombarding does not mean that isn't their plan.

Do they march troops to their deaths into a heavily guarded city with ambushes on every strategic corner or sit outside and bomb that city into submission.
 
dLockers said:
More like an end to the very beginning. If he learns he can just kill loads of innocent people indiscriminately, then why would he ever change/stop?
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Ukraine is hardly a walk in the park for them and with the sanctions, it will be a while before Russia try something like this again.
 
Considering the difficulty in discerning Ukrainian and Russian equipment as well as the high-proportion of Russian-speakers in Ukraine, I think we have to accept the risk that Zelenskyy may very well order a clandestine op to attempt to take a ballistic missile platform into Belarus and launch at a NATO target.

Risky in that it could end NATO's aid if it fails at any point, but if Ukraine is in the position of losing then I'm not sure it matters.
 
StriderX said:
Considering the difficulty in discerning Ukrainian and Russian equipment as well as the high-proportion of Russian-speakers in Ukraine, I think we have to accept the risk that Zelenskyy may very well order a clandestine op to attempt to take a ballistic missile platform into Belarus and launch at a NATO target.

Risky in that it could end NATO's aid if it fails at any point, but if Ukraine is in the position of losing then I'm not sure it matters.
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Someone with everything to gain from such action would never take it surely.
 
One of the big problems is, it's clear now that Russia currently doesn't have the power to take the whole of Ukraine, but also that Ukraine doesn't have the power to push them back out of Ukraine. This means Russia can just keep feeding troops into the meat grinder and building new tanks/planes but Ukraine can't do the same as their tank/aircraft factories are in the country being invaded.

Unless the US can either find a way to bring Putin to heel, or actually start doing something more than sanctions/weapons there's a good chance Ukraine may have to cave just to avoid years of bloodshed/destruction.
 
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