Poll: Official 2025 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix Thread - Jeddah Corniche Circuit, Jeddah- Race 5/24

Rate the HZ race out of ten

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Feek said:
He’s a fantastic driver.

He’s a terrible racer.
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It is a shame, because he is only a terrible racer due to the fact that he'd rather cheat than relinquish a position when under pressure/fail to make an overtake work/stick.

That is something in his temperament that will likely never change unfortunately, and makes him unlikeable as a driver/sportsman.
 
KiNgPiN83 said:
It probably doesn’t help that he’s surrounded by people telling him constantly that he’s done no wrong and to carry on. They don’t even have to do it publicly, just tell him in private..
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Why change if the outcome is generally positive? Not that I endorse it, but love it or hate it, it gets results and is by no means unique in the sporting world.

Max definitely has race craft to match his pace, but if the rules say you can throw it up the inside and claim the corner for free, that's an FIA issue. Same goes for the penalty system.
 
Mesai said:
Why change if the outcome is generally positive? Not that I endorse it, but love it or hate it, it gets results and is by no means unique in the sporting world.

Max definitely has race craft to match his pace, but if the rules say you can throw it up the inside and claim the corner for free, that's an FIA issue. Same goes for the penalty system.
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Exactly this - what we need to happen is someone chuck one up the inside of Max and crash into him on purpose but alas no one has the bottle to do it...
 
Mesai said:
Why change if the outcome is generally positive? Not that I endorse it, but love it or hate it, it gets results and is by no means unique in the sporting world.

Max definitely has race craft to match his pace, but if the rules say you can throw it up the inside and claim the corner for free, that's an FIA issue. Same goes for the penalty system.
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That's fine, but the whole 'woah is me' act afterwards from him the wider team and even his girlfriend is grating. He's literally one of the best drivers of this generation, he'd win without this cobblers. Arguably he would've won the race the other day without that penalty. (I.e. overtaken Oscar on track once DRS was up.)
 
KiNgPiN83 said:
That's fine, but the whole 'woah is me' act afterwards from him the wider team and even his girlfriend is grating. He's literally one of the best drivers of this generation, he'd win without this cobblers. Arguably he would've won the race the other day without that penalty. (I.e. overtaken Oscar on track once DRS was up.)
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I think they do it because admitting fault opens them up to any additional investigations or future judgements. I generally ignore it because the whole politicking thing is boring.

That driving style is just not interesting, and you’re right, he had a better chance at 1st by sitting in 2nd although they know their tyre wear is worse.

I’d love to see Charles vs Oscar; similar driving styles and a good balance of aggression and skill.
 
Johnz0r said:
Exactly this - what we need to happen is someone chuck one up the inside of Max and crash into him on purpose but alas no one has the bottle to do it...
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No need to crash on purpose, just stand your ground like Hamilton did in 2021. If a driver did do this - RB would have a meltdown just like Silverstone '21. They would overlook the fact that their driver likes to dish it out.

Verstappen has no fear of the competition (other than Hamilton) so sends it knowing they'll give way.

Norris and Verstappen allegience (on track) is one way. Verstappen will sell his soul and sleep comfortably at night; if he burns a friendship so be it.

Similar to Hamilton and Rosberg. Hamilton was prepared to push the boundaries, winning at all costs, within reason. However, Verstappen takes it to another dimension and is prepared to bend or have an unsporting intepretation of the rules. Hamilton never went that far, raced hard and fair (within the rules) - It peed Rosberg off no end though.
 
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Mesai said:
I think they do it because admitting fault opens them up to any additional investigations or future judgements. I generally ignore it because the whole politicking thing is boring.

That driving style is just not interesting, and you’re right, he had a better chance at 1st by sitting in 2nd although they know their tyre wear is worse.

I’d love to see Charles vs Oscar; similar driving styles and a good balance of aggression and skill.
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I agree, that would be a good matchup to be fair. In a similar way for the same reason 2021 was a good matchup too and Lewis fought fire with fire. Lewis and Max were on fire that season and in a class of their own.

I miss Raikonnen too as he didn't take Max's rubbish either! :D Its a shame Alonso hasn't had a decent car for a long time as i believe he'd be the same.
 
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Johnz0r said:
Exactly this - what we need to happen is someone chuck one up the inside of Max and crash into him on purpose but alas no one has the bottle to do it...
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Yeah Hamilton drove as hard as Verstappen in ‘21 but unfortunately the stewards and a certain Michael Massi were always 5 steps behind. You even look back to simple things like Max starting alongside Lewis on the many, many SC restarts. I mean wtf? Nonsense.

I’m hopeful the (a) Piastri won’t be scared of the odd crash or so when racing Max and (b) a lot of the loopholes that Max took advantage of previously are now fixed.

I can see what will happen next, it’ll be Max chucking it up in the inside and forcing someone off. Then all hell will break loose because he wouldn’t have actually made the pass correctly - like Piastri did.
Jono8 said:
It is a shame, because he is only a terrible racer
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KiNgPiN83 said:
He's literally one of the best drivers of this generation
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:D
 
Scam said:
Yeah Hamilton drove as hard as Verstappen in ‘21 but unfortunately the stewards and a certain Michael Massi were always 5 steps behind. You even look back to simple things like Max starting alongside Lewis on the many, many SC restarts. I mean wtf? Nonsense.

I’m hopeful the (a) Piastri won’t be scared of the odd crash or so when racing Max and (b) a lot of the loopholes that Max took advantage of previously are now fixed.
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Really limits who you're able to support if you're so against exploiting loopholes. Bortoleto WDC 2026?
 
Mesai said:
Really limits who you're able to support if you're so against exploiting loopholes. Bortoleto WDC 2026?
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I have no doubt that if the cars were reversed and Max was on the inside then it still would have have been Max's fault for either running Oscar off the road or not giving the McLaren a car's width.
Unfortunately no-one can win against such bias.
 
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Mesai said:
Really limits who you're able to support if you're so against exploiting loopholes. Bortoleto WDC 2026?
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As you’ve said, exploiting loopholes is a part of F1. As others have said it doesn’t mean it’s always ok, or right, or sportsmanlike. Most pundits agree Max has history or going too far. You only have to look at the rules that have been changed because of his antics to show that clearly, the FIA and stewards agree he went too far.
cuke2u said:
I have no doubt that if the cars were reversed and Max was on the inside then it still would have have been Max's fault
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Are you going to spend your time saying what you think I’ll say in order to generate circular arguments? Pretty sure the mods are bored of that, given the recently deleted posts.

There’s no need for what-ifs when talking about this incident. Oscar was ahead at the apex and executed the pass cleanly. If you want to play “what-ifs” then find the numerous times (eg. Brazil 2021) where Max has dived down the inside, not made the corner and gone off track, and in doing so forced his opponent into avoiding action.

As I’ve said, I’m sure we all expect Max to make a similar move if he comes to race anyone wheel to wheel this season. The key will be whether or not he is ahead at the apex.
 
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