Terrible Jaguar re-brand

Working class wouldn't be seen ded in one of those these days. Pov spec German Whip bro

Yeah, those EGR/DPF delete with a popcorn limiter tossers! :cry:
Ha, I just found a 2021 concept, yet again with the 4 door crazy doors from the Casino Royale era, yet again not to be used :cry:
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The intro bit had an overlayed which showed that it's kept the side profile at least.

Also, concepts being radical is nothing new, see the Mondeo pic.

It's mad that this was still a 4 door!

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Why does it look like a BBL? Does anyone else see it?

The inspiration will be something silly, like "a moth flapping it's wings, going by the doors and the rear lights 'eyes'!"
 
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Jags best years were under Ford imo. You never heard of a Jag from that era being a dogs dinner mechanically. Ford ironically brought a bit of reliability. The engines for the most part were fantastic. (Clarkson doing 1000 miles in the diesel XJ) Plus the XF and XJ were designed on their watch. The introduction of making the bodies out of aluminium was during Ford too and I think Jaguar should have marketed that more.

Under Tata it has been nothing but tripe and rehashing older models. F-Type was just a cut and shut of the XK 150 which was a great car. X351 XJ was a rebody of the X350. The engines used have been absolute diabolical too. The XE was a great car dynamically ruined by having to use 4 cylinder Ingenium engines.

Jaguar have put all bets on a presumption that luxury EV's are a market they can exploit when the reality is the rich have no want of EV drivetrains and the market doesn't exist.
 
Jags best years were under Ford imo. You never heard of a Jag from that era being a dogs dinner mechanically. Ford ironically brought a bit of reliability. The engines for the most part were fantastic. (Clarkson doing 1000 miles in the diesel XJ) Plus the XF and XJ were designed on their watch. The introduction of making the bodies out of aluminium was during Ford too and I think Jaguar should have marketed that more.

Under Tata it has been nothing but tripe and rehashing older models. F-Type was just a cut and shut of the XK 150 which was a great car. X351 XJ was a rebody of the X350. The engines used have been absolute diabolical too. The XE was a great car dynamically ruined by having to use 4 cylinder Ingenium engines.

Jaguar have put all bets on a presumption that luxury EV's are a market they can exploit when the reality is the rich have no want of EV drivetrains and the market doesn't exist.

Aside from the engines, which are mostly terrible in the modern era (their old ones had very different roots). They are just car assemblers now. A bit like Tesla.

They don't make any of the parts themselves. It comes from a load of suppliers, who order from smaller suppliers, who probably order crates of cheap stuff from Chinese factories.
 
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Copy nothing ethos, looks like they used AI to create those new logos

Late to the party I know :D

That 2021 4 door concept is cool though IMHO
 
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Aside from the engines, which are mostly terrible in the modern era (their old ones had very different roots). They are just car assemblers now. A bit like Tesla.

They don't make any of the parts themselves. It comes from a load of suppliers, who order from smaller suppliers, who probably order crates of cheap stuff from Chinese factories.

Wild..

JLR designed and built an entire engine family from scratch in the UK and have a dedicated manufacturing centre in Wolverhampton.. They also stamp their own aluminium bodies and assemble cars in a massive plant at Solihull and Halewood with billions committed to retooling those plants for EVs..

That is literally what being a car manufacturer is? Every OEM on earth has a global supply chain, even whatever precious Japanese brand you like to mend on your driveway doesn't just magic up its own wiring looms from a tree out the back.

Criticise JLR for reliability or strategy but belittling the manufacturing process is just garbage patter.
 
Jags best years were under Ford imo.

I dunno, my other half's X-Type drove like a blancmange, a wallowy sponge of a thing. Dashboard from a gentleman's club. She loved it though. What she didn't appreciate was me opening the bonnet and pointing at all the labels - Ford, Ford, Ferrari eh nope Ford :D . A Mondeo in drag indeed, but drove worse than a Mondeo.
 
Jags best years were under Ford imo. You never heard of a Jag from that era being a dogs dinner mechanically. Ford ironically brought a bit of reliability. The engines for the most part were fantastic. (Clarkson doing 1000 miles in the diesel XJ) Plus the XF and XJ were designed on their watch. The introduction of making the bodies out of aluminium was during Ford too and I think Jaguar should have marketed that more.

Under Tata it has been nothing but tripe and rehashing older models. F-Type was just a cut and shut of the XK 150 which was a great car. X351 XJ was a rebody of the X350. The engines used have been absolute diabolical too. The XE was a great car dynamically ruined by having to use 4 cylinder Ingenium engines.

Jaguar have put all bets on a presumption that luxury EV's are a market they can exploit when the reality is the rich have no want of EV drivetrains and the market doesn't exist.
Not heard of the lion engine then ?
 
Not heard of the lion engine then ?

Of course but that was for one lot of cars. Mainly the disco 4. It was fixed for later models in the range. The 2.7 V6 and the 3.6,/4.4 tdv8 which was based off the same architecture were both pretty robust. In-fact I would say the 4.4 tdv8 is the best engine fitted to any range rover.
 
4.4 is a great engine.

Looking at the new jag, I think with the wraps off, its going to look very derived from the outgoing XJ but with the slab sided design cues of the concept. A bit like how the current Range rovers became more flat panelled from the original L405 / Evoque era designs.
 
Aside from the engines, which are mostly terrible in the modern era (their old ones had very different roots). They are just car assemblers now. A bit like Tesla.

They don't make any of the parts themselves. It comes from a load of suppliers, who order from smaller suppliers, who probably order crates of cheap stuff from Chinese factories.
You mean like every single manufacturer in thew world.
 
Pretty sure JLR use a mix of sumitomo and yazaki for wiring. Exactly the same as Toyota…
 
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