The Indoor Riding/ Zwift/ TrainerRoad etc. Thread

Not as bad as Garmin! I can be fully rested, do a Sunday club ride and suddenly I need 4 days of recovery!
Garmin is the worst motivator ever.

Slept 8 hrs ? - poor, awake, not enough REM you’re too stressed.

Do nothing all day - stressful day, try to rest, training/recovery impacted

Do a workout - well done, you’re unproductive, stress less.

Got 10 floors? - well done, you’re in bottom 3% of population today.
 
Garmin rewards consistency.


I found TR would quickly go amber and red whenever I got too ambitious.


You can tweak how aggressively it goes yellow/red. I've tried TR several times and it constantly burnt me out after the initial gains. I'm now doing great using Wahoo Systm, using their crit plan as a basis and adjusting for how my body feels and what my Garmin is telling me.
 
I think if TR and Join were the same price I'd probably go with TR again as I do miss the website calendar but supposedly that is coming to Join. TR was the first thing that actually had me sticking to a training plan... But wit a sample size of just the Zwift plans and TR I don't really have a huge depth of experience to draw from :p

I'm just going for consistency again. There is the 'tour of Bristol' in April that I wouldn't mind doing and may do it solo but going to stick to a plan until then. Also, I find it hard to cram in a lot of hours a week so my plan is to do my main days on Monday/Wednesday/Friday. Do a half hour Z2/Endurance ride on Tuesdays and Thursdays and then a 'longer' - for me 2-3 hours is about the max I can get away with, ride on either Saturday or Sunday.

Hoping getting at least 5-6 hours a week over the next few months should at least push me from weak into distinctly average :D Kinda' regret changing my hours from work as it was really nice being able to get my training out of the way with before going to work but life is currently lifing.
 
Been doing what, in hindsight was likely far too hard a program considering my life stressors at the moment. It was a Vo2 max, threshold and steady state session every week. I got to week 4 which was a rest week which was fine but it was a super busy week at work and when it came to week 5 and the first session was 3x18min at FTP I crumbled. Managed the first rep but just gave up afterwards.

Think I am going to take a bit of a step back and reduce the number of hard sessions to perhaps 1-2 a week. Frustrating to be stuck around 300w for so long but such is life eh!
 
300w feels like a very, very, VERY distant target for me. You're smashing it :)

Closest I got was last year I was upto 260w but I was also 83kg so nothing to really write home about. I missed my goal this year but I'm blaming that on a house move. So my goal of being able to do the Alpe on Zwift in under an hour is delayed until 2026. So 3.2w/kg is my target. Right now I'm back down to 2.58 (stop laughing) so lots of work to do!
 
psh I think my ftp best was 234w but I rarely do any structured training and this year in general was just "keep cycling" kinda year, not done much.. think I'm at around 2400km for the year. I'd have loved to see what my ftp etc was back in the peak days when I did commuting and rode like an absolute muppet, I still have KOM's in london that been there for 10+ years so I must've been fast :D
 
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We're racing to the bottom!
No, we're racing to the top of the hill! :p

Did The Grade hill last night with a negative split effort at 100% trainer difficulty, in casual clothes that I so regretted, took me ~22mins to pass the KOM banner averaging ~225W at 92Kg on Aethos... Stuck in virtual gear 1 most of the way and very hot/bothered, quickly going from a casual climb to needing quite an effort just to turn the pedals on the approx 10% sections!:eek:
 
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Solid effort! I'm not brave enough to turn my TD higher than what appears to be around 80%. I have 52/36 on my bike with a 11-30 cassette on the trainer and if the TD was any higher I don't think I'd get up some of the hills with my gearing. I like to think my change to 75-80% is something like a 50/34 11-34 but it feels good enough to me
 
300w feels like a very, very, VERY distant target for me. You're smashing it :)

Closest I got was last year I was upto 260w but I was also 83kg so nothing to really write home about. I missed my goal this year but I'm blaming that on a house move. So my goal of being able to do the Alpe on Zwift in under an hour is delayed until 2026. So 3.2w/kg is my target. Right now I'm back down to 2.58 (stop laughing) so lots of work to do!

We're going to be moving house in the next 3-4 months hopefully. I am not planning a massive decline in my cycling but I fear it might happen regardless.
 
Australia Eastern time, Sydney & Melbourne. When you move one way, we move the other a week or two later. Current time diff is 11 hours, it'll go to 10 in March for a few weeks then to 9, then 10 then 11 as the cycle completes so not ideal either.
Ahhh - I hadn't realised it was different times to us. I know America change was usually 1-2 weeks different to UK/EU as always causes chaos with Zwift ride timings...

Garmin is the worst motivator ever.
Made me laugh, Garmin 'random number generator'!

Whoop is a bit better but does 'massage' a bit too much, other times says something without really explaining 'why' it's got there, so can feel you don't have much of a coach. I was overreaching on Monday (15.8 strain), then same again on Tuesday (16.4 strain) after having not ridden since Thursday so neither felt that hard... Then same again last night (18.2) - but that was probably more accurate after doing 2 TTT's in a row on Yorkshire with 4x Pot Bank.

There was a conversation back in the spring on 3R Discord where Garmin told Cat she was under-training and needed to increase her volume. She is nearly always averaging 30-35 hours per week & over 1000km leading doing the same group rides week after week...!

I'm just going for consistency again. There is the 'tour of Bristol' in April that I wouldn't mind doing and may do it solo but going to stick to a plan until then. Also, I find it hard to cram in a lot of hours a week so my plan is to do my main days on Monday/Wednesday/Friday. Do a half hour Z2/Endurance ride on Tuesdays and Thursdays and then a 'longer' - for me 2-3 hours is about the max I can get away with, ride on either Saturday or Sunday.
Consistency is big, but also with your training. Having a bit of a routine to settle into, with breaks/recovery also 'planned' to make sure you give the adaptions to the training and improvements regardless of the sessions involved. Some of them can be hard to measure and longer term so sticking to the plan to get there is almost harder than the sessions - as a lot of it can be mindset. Sometimes 'free your mind and the legs will follow'.

Frustrating to be stuck around 300w for so long but such is life eh!
It's a nice figure to be 'stuck' at. I've come to the realisation these days I won't improve much. I'm mid-40's and it's hard to sacrifice any more time, or any more focus, to improve... I'm better being consistent and that has been a big thing for me since covid times. I'm much happier riding my bike, when I don't have a goal, but also when I don't have big 'peaks' - as there is nearly always a big dip afterwards. Being consistent keeps me in good fitness, can just ride what I want, when I want and when convenient/easy to do. The number of times before when going well I'd have a week off the bike for a holiday, then spend a month getting back to the same level. These days with a week off, usually within 2 I'm back to where I left off.

For me my FTP fluxuating 240-280W with my weight also around 75-80kg depending on season and training was a battle. Now I'm more like 250-270W and 76-78kg constantly. Zwift is a big reason for that!

Solid effort! I'm not brave enough to turn my TD higher than what appears to be around 80%. I have 52/36 on my bike with a 11-30 cassette on the trainer and if the TD was any higher I don't think I'd get up some of the hills with my gearing. I like to think my change to 75-80% is something like a 50/34 11-34 but it feels good enough to me
Interesting as have my difficulty the same, I like to feel the gradient as suits my style of riding - punchy.

I'm riding 50/34 and an 11-28t cassette and nearly always in the top 3 cogs (11-12-13). During a TTT on some flat parts or racing downhill I will spin out 50x11 very easily, so much so last time I changed my chain (4-5 weeks ago!) the indexing was off and couldn't get into the 11t, tweaked/indexed but then some skipping and it not quite 'right' with it falling back to the 12t at the most annoying points. Figured a new cassette... Got a R7000 in BF deals, fitted it last weekend and still get the occasional skip back to 12t. The RD won't adjust out far enough so a job this weekend is to re-do the limit screws... Possibly even a spacer needed on the freehub, bit weird as it didn't need one before with the 5800 11 speed so shouldn't now with the R7000 11 speed!

Do think even with my TD set similar to yours I might have something else going on... My FTP is around 260-270W at the moment, I'm going well, but still don't think I should be spinning out a 50x11 on the flat... Out on the road doing similar powers on flat roads with 50/34 & 11-34t I'm nowhere near the top of the block. I'm hardly ever as high as the 11t even when going downhill!
 
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Hopefully you get on with it because that half price deal feels like theft.

It doesn’t feel like it has quite as many workouts as TR but how many do you really need?

Are you still enjoying Join? They keep threatening me with their 50% off deal so I might have to cave in and cancel my TR subscription. £50 for the year is great value.

I've tried most platforms and was a subscriber of Join a few years ago. It was the one app based training programme which I enjoyed the most.

I was a long time subscriber to Zwift before they hiked the price a couple of years ago. It's still good value but it forced me to try our other platforms. Rouvy kept me entertained coupled with a training programme from Trainer Day last winter but Rouvy have now also hiked their price up.

Trainer Day is great (and cheap) and I buy in to the theory of "mostly Zone 2" but the plans are very static. TR was always the scientific way to make you faster (I had that before Zwift had even been created) so I've resubscribed to it for the last 3 months. I'm skeptical about the large FTP increases their AI FTP has given me (no way I could hold that for an hour) and the plans are hard, very hard. It keeps pushing you until you fail a workout. I also find after every Sunday ride that it gives me a red or yellow day the next day.

I do like the fact that TR gives you a recovery week every 4 weeks. I don't think Join ever gives you a recovery week, but it also doesn't work you as hard as TR. I don't race, I just want to get faster like everyone does. Is TR worth paying extra for?
 
I’m trying join now, did my first workout there. Seemed fine, we’ll see how others go. But it’s basic and currently seems to work well. Very similar to TR I guess just cheaper and maybe a bit behind with some features.

zwift is probably my favourite but the price of it puts me off which is why I’ve been avoiding it. Whoosh is good tho, works alright and is free.
 
I’m trying join now, did my first workout there. Seemed fine, we’ll see how others go. But it’s basic and currently seems to work well. Very similar to TR I guess just cheaper and maybe a bit behind with some features.

zwift is probably my favourite but the price of it puts me off which is why I’ve been avoiding it. Whoosh is good tho, works alright and is free.
I'm the same with Zwift - after subscribing for years, I cancelled as soon as they put the price up and started dabbling with other options which has kept me going for a year or two.

I did a 90 min Join workout this morning using MyWhoosh. It worked well and the effort level felt appropriate for 'Intensive Endurance'.
 
Are you still enjoying Join? They keep threatening me with their 50% off deal so I might have to cave in and cancel my TR subscription. £50 for the year is great value.

I've been on Join for about 6 weeks now and I'm happy with it. I love/d TR and think at the moment it probably is a more mature product (I keep banging on about it but I love the web interface. Which as far as I know right now for Join is coming soon™) and it seems it may have a larger workout library than Join does but I don't know how many different types of workout one really needs?

The main things I want is to be able to import my workouts into Zwift during the winter and complete them outside during the warmer months. Join offers both of those to me and when you're comparing £50 for a year compared to about £160 for a year of TR, do I think TR is £110 better per year? Probably not.

Join doesn't seem to block in a recovery week but it has changed my days when it suspects my load is too high. I like that it seems a bit more flexible that if you think your week is going to be a bit different you can place in your free time and it will build around that accordingly.

I'm just an overenthusiastic noob so neither platform is going to turn me into a world tour GC contender but I can't see why for someone at my level either platform wouldn't work. The most important thing is having something the I can be consistent with and offers me better workouts than I would pick myself.

For that, the £50 a year option seems like the much better deal for me.
 
I think it's that time and i need to do an FTP test. All my hard workouts are coming back as Tempo on Garmin where i used to get a decent mix of Threshold, Vo2MAX and Sprint as well.
 
I think it's that time and i need to do an FTP test. All my hard workouts are coming back as Tempo on Garmin where i used to get a decent mix of Threshold, Vo2MAX and Sprint as well.

Yeah, the problem with all these different services is that you need a vaguely accurate FTP across them all or your results are all skewed. Garmins "fitness" score is never very high for me regardless of whether I put out 200w at 190bpm or I put out 400w at 130bpm. It just looks at your recent activities logged on Garmin and gives you a fitness based on that.
 
Yeah, the problem with all these different services is that you need a vaguely accurate FTP across them all or your results are all skewed. Garmins "fitness" score is never very high for me regardless of whether I put out 200w at 190bpm or I put out 400w at 130bpm. It just looks at your recent activities logged on Garmin and gives you a fitness based on that.
Garmin seems pretty accurate for me, HRV, Vo2max, FTP resting heart rate all those sorts of things all feel like they trend correctly when i feel strong or weak or poorly.
 
Garmin seems pretty accurate for me, HRV, Vo2max, FTP resting heart rate all those sorts of things all feel like they trend correctly when i feel strong or weak or poorly.

The issue I have is that it only ever takes outdoor garmin logged rides into consideration as thats the only data it ever gets. There is no such thing as "hmm, perhaps this person is fitter than my data suggests based on my knowledge of their weight, power and HR data.
 
The issue I have is that it only ever takes outdoor garmin logged rides into consideration as thats the only data it ever gets. There is no such thing as "hmm, perhaps this person is fitter than my data suggests based on my knowledge of their weight, power and HR data.
Mine uses all my indoor rides as well and HRV/resting HR during sleep plays a big part.
 
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