Scott Mills sacked by the BBC

Richie said:
I'll play... Your list has 15.

Samuel Robinson
Timothy Moule
Rebecca Joynes
Aaron Clark
John Stavely
John Ewan Myles
Neil Foden
Jamie Alexander Wheeler
Robert Collins
Kevin Copstake

SOURCE OF ABOVE 10x from 2024 alone

Daniel Clarke
Simon Schofield
Johnathan Morgan
Jamie Varley
Charles Cornelius


There's 15... and it took me 10 mins to do that. There are plenty more just from TEACHING profession.
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Those aren't from entertainment.
I'm addressing the person who has claimed there are loads in entertainment when my 15 are from the last 6 decades.
There's probably 15 from the last year in teaching.
 
adam cool dude said:
There are 614,000 teachers in the UK. The BBC employs just 21,000 and last time I checked the head of teaching didn't have 800+ images on kiddy porn on their computer and none of them did the numbers of Jimmy Saville.
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Why do you keep moving the goalposts? :confused: You said:

adam cool dude said:
Lots of messed up child actors, paedo's and generally unsavoury characters throughout all entertainment. At a much higher rate than any other profession that I can think of.
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I was challenging your assertion that "throughout all entertainment" the rate of "paedo's and generally unsavoury characters" are "at a much higher rate than any other profession"

You then moved the switched the argument to "a lot of peadophiles in entertainment" - removing the implication that its higher in entertainment than any other profession

I then challenged it again and you further narrowed your point to only focus on the BBC - removing "throughout all entertainment" that you initially said



So what are you now saying - that there are more peadophiles solely within the BBC, as a ratio of people employed by the BBC, than there is in other professions? You are not using "ALL ENTERTAINMENT" as you first stated, just the BBC?
 
RetiredGreyFox said:
Those aren't from entertainment.
I'm addressing the person who has claimed there are loads in entertainment when my 15 are from the last 6 decades.
There's probably 15 from the last year in teaching.
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Sorry, I wasn't being clear - The poster in question stated that there was a higher proportion of people in the entertainment industry than there was in other professions that have been caught in these crimes. I chose the profession of teaching and, within 10 mins, found the equivalent amount of people in teaching as you did in entertainment. I was using your list and my list to debunk his claim.

Of course, it now appears they may have only been talking about people in the BBC and not "all entertainment" as they first stated. This will also reduce your list as well if you remove those not employed by the BBC.
 
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Richie said:
Sorry, I wasn't being clear - The poster in question stated that there was a higher proportion of people in the entertainment industry than there was in other professions that have been caught in these crimes. I chose the profession of teaching and, within 10 mins, found the equivalent amount of people in teaching as you did in entertainment. I was using your list and my list to debunk his claim.

Of course, it now appears they may have only been talking about people in the BBC and not "all entertainment" as they first stated. This will also reduce your list as well if you remove those not employed by the BBC.
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Yes on my original BBC list that's a few posts above I think I had 6x BBC convicted paedo's in 6 decades.
It's all bad but not as bad as the teaching profession or even certain taxi drivers, certain shop owners or restaurant owners over the last two decades that Tommeh brought to justice..
 
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Richie said:
Sorry, I wasn't being clear - The poster in question stated that there was a higher proportion of people in the entertainment industry than there was in other professions that have been caught in these crimes. I chose the profession of teaching and, within 10 mins, found the equivalent amount of people in teaching as you did in entertainment. I was using your list and my list to debunk his claim.

Of course, it now appears they may have only been talking about people in the BBC and not "all entertainment" as they first stated. This will also reduce your list as well if you remove those not employed by the BBC.
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So there isn't a problem with sex offenders in the BBC then or in media in general? It feels like you are trying to justify something by comparing one heinous thing with another. I have worked in far bigger corporations than the BBC that do not have this problem.

I still stand by my opinion that the BBC and media in general are full of plenty of wrong-uns and glad in the past decade they have been outed and will continue to do so.
 
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Aren't paedophiles going to associate themselves with environments where they interact with children ie. teaching, media presenting, church, doctors.

Anyw\ay who was Mills - so he was only on R2 prime show for one year (just maintaining viewing figures) and has been on Dance off and celebrity travels ?
Wogan, Wright, or the average R4 today presenter are there for years (sooner we get rid of personalities Emma Barnett & Amol Rajan, though, the better)
 
adam cool dude said:
So there isn't a problem with sex offenders in the BBC then or in media in general? It feels like you are trying to justify something by comparing one heinous thing with another. I have worked in far bigger corporations than the BBC that do not have this problem.

I still stand by my opinion that the BBC and media in general are full of plenty of wrong-uns and glad in the past decade they have been outed and will continue to do so.
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Bloody hell he never said there wasn't a problem just that there are way worse places.
I listed 6 convicted paedos in 6 decades (there may be several more I missed), there are way worse areas than the BBC.
It's not nice to change what people said.
 
jpaul said:
Aren't paedophiles going to associate themselves with environments where they interact with children ie. teaching, media presenting, church, doctors.

Anyw\ay who was Mills - so he was only on R2 prime show for one year (just maintaining viewing figures) and has been on Dance off and celebrity travels ?
Wogan, Wright, or the average R4 today presenter are there for years (sooner we get rid of personalities Emma Barnett & Amol Rajan, though, the better)
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He was a major Radio 1 presenter that ran multiple slots, including prime, over the course of 20 years before moving to Radio 2.

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Scott Mills - Wikipedia

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Radio 1 has for many a moon targeted early-mid teens to late 20's as their core demographic (mentioned this earlier, I don't know many late 20's that listen to Radio 1), he was more or less their Radio golden child since the late 90's and got away with a lot more than most presenters might have over the years.
 
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adam cool dude said:
So there isn't a problem with sex offenders in the BBC then or in media in general? It feels like you are trying to justify something by comparing one heinous thing with another. I have worked in far bigger corporations than the BBC that do not have this problem.
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I'm not trying to justify anything. I am challenging your opinion that the entertainment industry, as a whole, "has a much higher rate of paedos than any other profession that you can think of"

Am I wrong?


adam cool dude said:
I still stand by my opinion that the BBC and media in general are full of plenty of wrong-uns and glad in the past decade they have been outed and will continue to do so.
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I never disagreed with the bit above... You are changing the argument because you have been unable to support it with evidence when challenged.

And, BTW, my initial comment was just to suggest you may think it's more prevalent in entertainment industry simply because people in the public eye get more press attention for everything... You could have taken it as it was meant and left it there.

The issue now becomes your inability, as a grown adult, to accept you made an error and instead are doubling down and trying to make me look like I am "trying to justify something by comparing one heinous thing with another"

On that accusation - what do you think I am trying to justify exactly? Be explicit and clear please.
 
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Still waiting to hear what's new.

So far it's an allegation over twenty years ago to which there was not enough evidence to support and nothing came of it.

If there's nothing else happening then there's actually no story at all.
 
adidan said:
Still waiting to hear what's new.

So far it's an allegation over twenty years ago to which there was not enough evidence to support and nothing came of it.

If there's nothing else happening then there's actually no story at all.
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BBC News are reporting the 'new' bit is that the BBC knew about the investigation but for some reason only recently (last couple of weeks-ish) became aware it related to someone who was under 16 at the time.
 
Kenai said:
BBC News are reporting the 'new' bit is that the BBC knew about the investigation but for some reason only recently (last couple of weeks-ish) became aware it related to someone who was under 16 at the time.
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I still don't get it.

They became aware of an allegation that they had insufficient evidence to support and nothing came of it.

If that's all there is i'd be claiming unfair dismissal. There has to be something else other than they became aware of something that resulted in nothing
 
adidan said:
I still don't get it.

They became aware of an allegation that they had insufficient evidence to support and nothing came of it.

If that's all there is i'd be claiming unfair dismissal. There has to be something else other than they became aware of something that resulted in nothing
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There has to be more.
Either they have found more evidence or he's done something else they don't want to be associated with.
 
The "more" is the Huw Edwards situation.

BBC can't really win here.

They can't keep a mainstream radio presenter on, when the papers are reporting about an inappropriate relationship with an underage boy.

So they decided to sack him, which might lead to an unfair dismissal case down the road if he's never charged by the CPS, but on balance they would probably prefer that to the alternative where he might get charged in future and the backlash that would come with that where they were seen to "support" him
 
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Richie said:
I'm not trying to justify anything. I am challenging your opinion that the entertainment industry, as a whole, "has a much higher rate of paedos than any other profession that you can think of"

Am I wrong?
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You might be unless you want to go through the sex offenders register and quantify it all taking into account organisation sizes. Be my guest.

One thing I do know is that Jimmy Saville was the worst of them all and the entertainment industry is riddled with them. Make of that what you will.
 
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The more could be victim/other victims now coming forward, or even DNA analysis evolution .. maybe it will become evident,
holds the risk BBC can be subsequently sued if it comes to nothing ?
 
You also have to remember:

Criminal case = need evidence beyond reasonable doubt

Sacking from a job = need evidence which on the balance of probabilities is likely to be true

It’s a very different bar and someone can most definitely be sacked from a job for something that goes nowhere near a court room, particularly if it brings the organisation into disrepute (causing reputational damage) which is the catch all get out for sacking someone.
 
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