Xp vs Vista? Will Vista ever be the winner?

Darthe · 13 Nov 2007 at 16:59

Ulfhedjinn said:
You know what we need? I've been saying it for years...

A completely stripped-down version of Windows, and I don't mean nLite nuked, but geared specifically towards gamers, minimalists and performance addicts. Absolutely everything stripped out but the bare minimums, that includes security etc. that the user can install themselves if they think they need it.

I guess the problem there is that nobody would ever buy the other versions.

It might be somewhere on the horrizon.

peetee · 13 Nov 2007 at 17:02

Kobrakai said:
DX10 improves on graphics, it’s to be expected that better graphics will come with a performance hit.

I don’t think it has anything to do with Vista, from what I’ve seen most games perform better in Vista than in XP these days.

dx10 doesnt offer mcuh in the way of graphics improvements, it was designed to offer visuals of around the same quality faster.

Its all about the same at the moment though, just the odd annoying incompatibiliity. vista will take off soon enough

v0n · 13 Nov 2007 at 17:51

peetee said:
dx10 doesnt offer mcuh in the way of graphics improvements, it was designed to offer visuals of around the same quality faster.

Which is where the whole confusion begins - Crisis being the best example. If DX10 is faster, then Crisis demo under DX10 should look at least as good as under XP with DX9 but run much better. Unfortunately that's not the case. To run equally fast it has to look much crappier. And if that's the case for the rest of games to come, then DX10 is the biggest swan song there ever was in gaming industry

peetee · 13 Nov 2007 at 17:59

v0n said:
Which is where the whole confusion begins - Crisis being the best example. If DX10 is faster, then Crisis demo under DX10 should look at least as good as under XP with DX9 but run much better. Unfortunately that's not the case. To run equally fast it has to look much crappier. And if that's the case for the rest of games to come, then DX10 is the biggest swan song there ever was in gaming industry

vista causes the performance hit, not dx10. If you read up a comparison is drawn between the shiftover to XP from 2k, its exactly the same tbh.

We're waiting for service packs+drivers to make it a FAIR comparison.

helmutcheese · 13 Nov 2007 at 18:15

XP is based on the Win 2000 kernal and most users did not run a Server OS (Win 2000), they ran 98SE or POS Win ME

.

XP64 is so stable as of its based on the Win 2003 Kernal.

XP became really, really great with SP2 which was more than a normal SP, it has been said it was more like a OS revamp like 98S to 98SE.

Give Vista till SP2 to be fair on it but SP1 Beta is good so far, major issues are solved.

andyp · 13 Nov 2007 at 18:26

Vista won't let me stretch a game window across two monitors, nor will WDDM let me use 'Span' mode to create a 2560x1024 resolution.

Given most of my game-playing time is spent in a PMDG 737 in FS9 which benefits hugely from a true dual monitor set up, XP is being reinstalled when my new HDD arrives.

I've got an 8800GT coming but DX10 can bugger off, I'd much rather be able to use my two monitors properly.

Plus in and around my payware airports (Aerosoft EDDF + EGLL) I get 5-10 FPS more in XP, and no silly stutters whilst taxiing. Vista also causes Radar Contact airspace controllers to stutter callsigns.

helmutcheese · 13 Nov 2007 at 18:32

Try Ultramon (Beta1, bit buggy in Aero till Beta2).

andyp · 13 Nov 2007 at 18:46

I've got Ultramon - it's all down to WDDM and the way Vista handles 3D graphics in windowed mode especially. Ultramon sees my desktop as 2560x1024. WDDM sees it as 2x1280x1024. Given 'Span' mode has just disappeared from the Vista forcewares, it's impossible to get WDDM to see one single desktop, and enlarging the FS9 window across to the second monitor just gives me a big blank black area.

Kobrakai · 13 Nov 2007 at 19:03

peetee said:
dx10 doesnt offer mcuh in the way of graphics improvements, it was designed to offer visuals of around the same quality faster.

From the Crysis comparison screenshots between DX9 and DX10 that I have seen, there is a huge different in graphics quality. Especially with lighting and water effects.

peetee · 13 Nov 2007 at 19:31

yea, because if you reduce power needed to do all the eye candy then they are obviously going to just make our hardware do more

I guess my OP was a bad one, the techniques to give us eye candy require less power, resulting in visuals of same quality being obtained on lower end cards, with higher end cards having the ability to do much more than in dx9.

Bit better i guess

v0n · 13 Nov 2007 at 19:43

peetee said:
vista causes the performance hit, not dx10. If you read up a comparison is drawn between the shiftover to XP from 2k, its exactly the same tbh.

I'm not sure that's true. Running Crisis demos with -DX9 flag make it run faster with all settings in high (which is btw the highest setting for DX9 without modyfing game files, possibly done specifically, so there is visible edge between highest settings for DX10 over DX9. Once you actually unlock highest settings, the difference in terms of eye candy is no so well pronounced, but DX9, even under Vista, still runs faster.

Prime example from article at tweakguides:

Final8y · 13 Nov 2007 at 20:04

memory said:
ms monster was very user friendly....especially to users who knew little about computers.
it made everything that much more easier to do...i do like vista (especially that mahjong titans game) but a lot of things just become work in themselves just to run....oh and whats with the damn mouse lag when running a game ? seriously fix it already

i'l happily go over to vista if they ever get it running as smooth as xp.....a small hit in fps is acceptable but when games like crysis come out which are meant to showcase vista's/DX10's ability and they run like crap in vista and great in xp....it doesnt do MS no favours.

What mouse lag ?..oh your talking about on your setup & not everyone else's.

uber soldat · 13 Nov 2007 at 22:40

64 bit Vista recognises 4 gig of RAM and xp doesnt, hmmmmmm hard choice......

Amnesia · 13 Nov 2007 at 22:43

Final8y said:
What mouse lag ?..oh your talking about on your setup & not everyone else's.

yeah sure...im the only person to have suffered from mouse lag on vista.

not everyone has the same setup so not everyone will have the same problems but i do know im not the only person who has complained about mouse lag in a taxing game...a good example would be bioshock